Register Login
im Axle Specialists
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #1
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Trader Rating: 0
Italy 
700cc of Brutality

I was going to do it right and build it myself. I wanted the experience and I had even bought the project 126A1 engine to start with. But then I received a message- an engine I had looked at 3 months prior was price lowered. And then I haggled it even lower still, to where it would cost several hundred euros less to buy this than build my own. Ladies and gentleman, I present my new engine. Im still learning about the build. The seller seems to have acquired it from the passing of the enthusiast, who left him a pristine 500L with the same engine plus this second identical engine. The only info I have so far is that it uses a Dellorto DHLA 40 carb into a Panda head feeding 700cc with 32/34 valves and 45/75 cam. He ran it for me (sitting in the garage connected to batt, coil, and fuel). It started immediately. After a brief warm up, he revved it *in a spirited fashion* and it was absolutely BRUTAL. The idle after was deep and powerful sounding. I will be swapping it in Monday with help from friends. My car has the 126 synchro gearbox and the stronger axles already, along with sport suspension and electronic ignition which will be transferred to the new engine. I will provide pics of the process.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20190822_134222.jpg
Views:	51
Size:	4.24 MB
ID:	202461   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190822_134139.jpg
Views:	53
Size:	4.33 MB
ID:	202462  

Click image for larger version

Name:	20190822_134252.jpg
Views:	39
Size:	3.25 MB
ID:	202463   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190822_134203.jpg
Views:	50
Size:	3.23 MB
ID:	202464  

Likes gordinir8 liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Hutbed is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #2
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,089
Thanks: 153
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

That is one wicked looking engine Andrew! Looking at the ignition side of the engine, you might find that with that exhaust (which looks like an 'Abarth' copy) you will have to fit the 126 shrouding if you want to get any heat from the engine into the cabin. It looks as if the tubing from the car would want to go right through the rear exhaust down-pipe.
Likes Hutbed liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

the hobbler is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #3
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Trader Rating: 0
Italy 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Tom, not a problem! I can utilize the shroud from the 126A1 engine I bought. SOOO excited to get this installed!
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Hutbed is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #4
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 8
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Netherlands 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Congratulations with the new engine, it looks very nice. I bought a similar engine last year (although I was only looking for an unspoiled 500cc head) with 800cc. The creator was moving out of the hobby and clearing his inventory and I could not resist buying it. He built it about 15 years ago as a project together with his kids to see how large they could go. When his kids then started abusing the power he removed it from the car and put it away, so it has seen very little miles. Compared to the 650cc it replaced the extra torque and lower exhaust sound is most noticeable. Mine is more a "easy-coaster", no fast cam, which is good since it powers an unmodified L so brakes are so-so anyway.

I did have to set the idle higher than the engine itself requires since it's very low idling causes some self-resonance that makes it shake like a drunken laundry drier in the motor mounts.

Currently my heating is indeed not connected because of the exhaust tube and the choke cable is not connected since the standard cable is too short. All easily fixable, but it also drives fine as-is
Likes Hutbed liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Wouteriolio is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #5
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Ripon
Posts: 717
Thanks: 29
Trader Rating: 0
Bleeding Knuckles has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Quote Originally Posted by Hutbed View Post
Tom, not a problem! I can utilize the shroud from the 126A1 engine I bought. SOOO excited to get this installed!
Well done Andrew, it's a nice looking engine. You may find that you need an oil cooler at some stage
Is there any chance of posting a pic that is taken looking directly at the rear and front of the engine (not down at it) as I would like to see the detail of the fan housing and thermostat housing and how they are fitted ????
Ian.
__________________
Si dice in Sicilia non c'e nulla di piu pericoloso di una Donna con fucile da caccia.

Abarth - Piccola ma Wicked
Bleeding Knuckles is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #6
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Trader Rating: 0
Italy 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Ian, of course. If I remember I will take them in the morning before work. If I forget, I will be taking many pictures before the install Monday for sure.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Hutbed is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #7
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Trader Rating: 0
Italy 
Ian, here you go. Just let me know, anyone, if you'd like another specific picture. The last pic- I'm not yet sure what the notch is for, but I'm sure I'll figure out during the install.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075828.jpg
Views:	27
Size:	3.02 MB
ID:	202476   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075735.jpg
Views:	28
Size:	3.92 MB
ID:	202477  

Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075703.jpg
Views:	27
Size:	3.78 MB
ID:	202478   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075639.jpg
Views:	30
Size:	4.20 MB
ID:	202479  

Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075629.jpg
Views:	34
Size:	4.90 MB
ID:	202480   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075535.jpg
Views:	26
Size:	4.08 MB
ID:	202481  

Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075503.jpg
Views:	24
Size:	3.95 MB
ID:	202482   Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075720.jpg
Views:	28
Size:	3.30 MB
ID:	202483  

Likes lazylobster liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Hutbed is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #8
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 8
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Netherlands 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Attached a picture of my little power plant. It is in no way as shiny or nice as your 700cc

It complements nicely with the rest of the car; no work of perfection but it runs well and is a lot of fun
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_083547.jpg
Views:	31
Size:	3.86 MB
ID:	202485  
Likes Hutbed liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Wouteriolio is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #9
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Trader Rating: 0
Italy 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Thanks, but it was just a "right place, right time" thing for me. I am a bit sad I can't take credit for the build or have that pride, but I'll probably feel just fine when I push the throttle. Haha
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Hutbed is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #10
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Ripon
Posts: 717
Thanks: 29
Trader Rating: 0
Bleeding Knuckles has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Quote Originally Posted by Hutbed View Post
Thanks, but it was just a "right place, right time" thing for me. I am a bit sad I can't take credit for the build or have that pride, but I'll probably feel just fine when I push the throttle. Haha
Andrew, the cut out in the tinware join is probably for clearance of the rear engine mount it looks like the wriggle room needed to fit the spring and the mount onto the engine studs is tight - you will find out anyway. Thanks for the pics too.
Ian.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20190825_075720.jpg
Views:	15
Size:	3.30 MB
ID:	202503  
__________________
Si dice in Sicilia non c'e nulla di piu pericoloso di una Donna con fucile da caccia.

Abarth - Piccola ma Wicked
Bleeding Knuckles is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #11
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,089
Thanks: 153
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

I agree with Ian---it is to give you a bit more 'wriggle room' for fitting the rear engine mount. May I also suggest that you check that the fuel line up from the fuel-pump is of the correct type and that you fit a proper fuel-pipe clip/clamp on it---might be worthwhile replacing the jubilee clip on the 'in' pipe with a proper fuel-clip/clamp.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

the hobbler is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #12
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 173
Thanks: 2
Trader Rating: 0
The Whitakers has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Amazing 😎......just out of interest what would this engine be expected to produce BHP wise ?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

The Whitakers is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #13
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,089
Thanks: 153
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

The standard '126' engine has a capacity of 4.5 (imperial) pints--2.6 litres. Looking at the pictures of your new engine I would reckon that you have a 4 litre sump--almost a 50% increase in sump capacity. Being that the normal 126 runs perfectly OK, even in the heat of an Italian summer, I would suggest that you try the engine before you get involved in all the extra work required to fit an external oil cooler. I don't think that you will need it.
Likes fiat500 liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

the hobbler is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #14
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: plymouth
Posts: 8
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Quote Originally Posted by Hutbed View Post
Ian, here you go. Just let me know, anyone, if you'd like another specific picture. The last pic- I'm not yet sure what the notch is for, but I'm sure I'll figure out during the install.
some guys have all the luck.

very nice find indeed.

great pics too.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

viago is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #15
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: London-ish
Posts: 248
Thanks: 4
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: 700cc of Brutality

Having recently fitted oil temp gauge to Valentina and running a 4l sump. I can confirm that the cooling of the engine is pretty good. Driving in high heat yesterday down sarf, I observed max 85c and once on the move at speed in 4th gear, this decreased to late 60's. The cooling works well
R
__________________
Eat French. Dress British. Drive Italian!
1975 - 500R
1987 - 5000 QV
1996 - F355 Spider
2006 - Vauxhall Astra (mule)
lazylobster is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Reply
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
(Tu) Selecting the right Engine Timing Curve for Hotrod 700cc engine Nowuries 500 (Classic) 2 20-09-2018 18:00
(Tu) Athena 700cc Spacer Plate hughqv 500 (Classic) 4 03-11-2015 22:54
(G) panda brutality petebarchetta Panda (Classic) 4 10-03-2006 00:03