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Hi guys, I'm about to embark on an unthinkable task, fitting aircon to my 91 Tipo 1.4, so if anyone has any helpful ideas, I'd be pleased to hear them.
I have (hopefully) all the bits taken from a scrap Tipo, including wiring and relays, which I'm currently trying to lay out in order, separating it from other wires and relays.
The central console control box has a few non working/broken parts, but nothing apparently serious.
My first thought is that it would be a good idea to have the parts tested, particularly the compressor, but how, Iím not sure.

I'll post updates as things progress, but it won't be a rush job, I've had the car since 1999.
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A/C has been put on hold due to ................ you guessed right ........ unforeseen technical issues.

Meanwhile, I'm looking for a rear tailgate wiper motor spindle seal for a Fiat Tipo. It's somewhat egg shaped with two holes, one for the motor spindle, the other for the washer pipe. It doesn't feature in my local Fiat dealer's parts list.

Any help appreciated.
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Both the inner and outer seals are shown in the spare parts catalogue, but are no longer available from Fiat. The part number(s) may help your search.
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Both the inner and outer seals are shown in the spare parts catalogue, but are no longer available from Fiat. The part number(s) may help your search.
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Hi, Davren, and many thanks for the drawing, it must be from an old parts book, the new one doesn't show it.
I'm not sure why I didn't see your post earlier, but the problem was solved with some black screen sealer given to me as a present by my local windscreen guy.
It worked perfectly.

A new thread may be needed if my next request doesn't receive replies.

I'm searching for a suitable EPS (electric power steering) system for the Tipo and wonder if any Fiat owners have ever fitted one that might suit?
Easysteer and Litesteer supply kits for boy racer's Escorts, Fiestas, and VW campers. for the not so boy racers.
The Tipo is a bit tight for space to fit the motor and the lower steering column shaft has only 35.5 cm to play with.
I have a spare column and steering rack set up on my bench as a jig to do the cutting and shutting when the time comes.

Any help will be gratefully received.
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Hi, Davren, and many thanks for the drawing, it must be from an old parts book, the new one doesn't show it.
I'm not sure why I didn't see your post earlier, but the problem was solved with some black screen sealer given to me as a present by my local windscreen guy.
It worked perfectly.

A new thread may be needed if my next request doesn't receive replies.

I'm searching for a suitable EPS (electric power steering) system for the Tipo and wonder if any Fiat owners have ever fitted one that might suit?
Easysteer and Litesteer supply kits for boy racer's Escorts, Fiestas, and VW campers. for the not so boy racers.
The Tipo is a bit tight for space to fit the motor and the lower steering column shaft has only 35.5 cm to play with.
I have a spare column and steering rack set up on my bench as a jig to do the cutting and shutting when the time comes.

Any help will be gratefully received.
wouldn't it be easier to fit the Fluid PAS from a Brava..??
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wouldn't it be easier to fit the Fluid PAS from a Brava..??
To be honest, I don't know.
Please tell me why you think it could be easier, considering the pump and plumbing involved?

I gather the Brava/Tipo steering racks are interchangeable?
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I've not direct experience..,
but the Tipo and bravo/a are based on the same floorpan,
and share a fair few common parts..,

so web research may well find that the racks DO fit..,

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Thanks for the input, Charlie (my middle name), glad to know that the floorpans are shared.
I've researched the Bravo/a availability and scrappers are plentiful out here, but considering
that EPAS only requires the fitting of a motor and control unit, it appears to be the simpler
method for now.
The Bravo/a swap may come into play if EPAS isn't possible.
Have a good one,
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Update Ė May 2016: Due to my abdominal operation at Christmas, Iíve been unable to do much about the aircon and more recently had to replace some wiring and connectors to the interior fan that had burned out at the (printed circuit) fuse box, no mean feat.
I bent some ribs in the process.

July:
Pain almost gone from ribs.
Compressor clutch function tested on bench, it works and is now clean and installed on the car.
After a struggle with some bent bits, condenser (rad) is also fitted.

To save stripping the dash completely, Iím considering the purchase of an evaporator unit with all the fittings including receiver-dryer that Iíve seen for sale at Car Builder Solutions in England.
It will mean removal of the glove box, but a lot less work than it could have been.
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A/C evaporator unit arrived from CBS and fitted in place of glove box.
Wiring sorted and condenser fitted.
Routing hoses is the big problem and the compressor to hose fittings aren't easy to find.
Hopefully that will all be organized next week.
It may even be up and running before the end of summer.
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Just a note to say that I needed to fit a double pulley for the compressor and because it involved a 36 mm nut, I decided to let my friendly local garage do it and fit a new timing belt (I supplied) at the same time, as it was 12 years old.
They charged me 12€, which was a bit of a shock.
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Nearly there, after a lot of head scratching and internet research.
Basic A/C wiring sorted to work from ignition and I added a couple of other items that were working on permanent live at the same time.
Routing hoses was less of a problem than originally thought.
Fixing Receiver Drier to bulkhead behind carburettor wasn't easy, but an angled drill head solved that problem.
All A/C hose couplings, O-rings purchased and hose on order today for delivery tomorrow.
Poliolester compressor oil researched and located (for use with older compressors converted from R12 to R134 refrigerant).
Icing on the cake was finding an adapter for the compressor hose fittings.
Everything should be fitted over the weekend and ready for charging up when my local garage reopens after summer hols later this month.

That's only half the story, the rest involved much hair pulling.
I'll post some pics soon.
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Quite a project for an old Tipo... congrats and good luck finishing it.
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Quite a project for an old Tipo...
Age is only a number, and in this case, it's the equivalent of only 81,400 miles, almost run in.
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congrats and good luck finishing it.
Thanks!!
I filled the compressor today, with 265 cc (9 fl oz) of the poliolester oil.
I should be getting the hose unions pressed on the 29th, when the man who can gets back from his summer break.
A few hours later the hoses should all be fitted and ready for a vacuum test.
My local garage also starts back on the 29th, so I'll be there on the 30th, begging them to do the vacuum test and if all is well, filling the system with refrigerant.
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Just one pic for now, the unit replaces the glove box that took me years to find.

There's a bit more trimming to do, but it looks fine from the passenger seat and blows enough to easily reach the driver.
Function over aesthetics.
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