Your views and possibly your help please

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i used to breed chickens, ducks, rabbits, quail & pigeons. we killed them all in the same way. neck breaking is quick and the most humane method available.

muslims use halal (throat slitting), which is barbaric imo and very difficult to watch, especially when they do it to a larger animal and you see it thrashing around in pain as its blood spills on to the floor. i've seen cows, goats and camels suffer it, they're aware of what is happening & they die slowly and in pain. the metal anguish must be terrible. remember most of the world still slit animal's throats and let them bleed to death, thanks to islam it is the only way they can butcher an animal.

breaking a bird's neck is as good as it gets for a farmed chicken. to halal a chicken it is put in a machine upside down, there are blades that slit its throat and strip its feathers off at the same time. this is a painful way to die. i've seen it happen many times, whenever i went to the chicken shop to buy one i had to sit and watch it get tortured to death in an evil machine. then you get given the chicken in a bag and take it home to eat. thats bloody difficult. also consider that this chicken spent its whole life in a cage the same size as itself so it could never move an inch. thats the harsh reality for the vast majority of chickens on this planet.

eating a uk farmed chicken is easy in comparison. in my mind the chickens farmed intensively in the uk are very lucky, and in comparison to most chickens around the world they live a very privledged life and die a very humane death. yet the hippies still complain?! thats ignorance for you.

personally i dont have a problem with intensive chicken farming. the birds are blissfully unaware that their lives could be better, so in their mind they want for nothing. all their needs are satisfied.

now compare that to me, i want more, i've seen there is more out there, i can never be satisfied with my life no matter how well i do. surely my metal state is going to be worse than a chicken that has (as far as its concerned) the best possible life it could have.

on the other hand, i dont see why a bit of environment enrichment cant be more common, a few bales of hay dont cost much but can make the bird's lives better.
 
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well i wasn't going to be too ambitious so would be looking to start with maybe 3 and see how we go from there as they would be mainly for laying (no smutty jokes please everyone lol) My garden is fairly big and i have a large section behind the garage they could have, i've read about the damage they can do to grass but its recommended just moving their run around different sections of the garden and re-seeding the previous area.

I'm hoping to be able to offer a home maybe in the spring which should give me time to get everything i would need, so any advice everyone just keep it coming (y)
 
personally i dont have a problem with intensive chicken farming. the birds are blissfully unaware that their lives could be better, so in their mind they want for nothing. all their needs are satisfied.

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I must admit i can totally understand where you're coming from. I'm not out to try and convert everyone to buying organic/free range, just trying to raise awareness

The battery hens as you say don't know any different, but they spend a lot of their short life in pain recieving burns from sitting/lying/walking in their own urine and faeces which causes unessesary (sp?) suffering

I also understand people who buy 2 for a fiver chickens because of budgets and feeding familys so i'm not trying to condemn those people either as i understand (i was one of those people too)

If the campaign only convinces a few people to buy free range eggs etc its a step in the right direction. I only watched 2 programmes and now i'm considering adopting hens, something that would never before have entered my head so if i can offer a few hens a happy free range home to retire in then at least the programmes weren't in vain. If they can convince me they will convince others, i understand it won't for everyone but its a start (y)
 
the main bonus about keeping chickens is the eggs, they taste great, you will definately tell the difference. why not get a couple of ducks too? they're far more intelligent than chickens, you can easily house train them as pets, mine even responded to voice commands such as 'dinner', but the chickens never understood a spoken command.

oddly, my chickens' favorite food was fish.
 
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the main bonus about keeping chickens is the eggs, they taste great, you will definately tell the difference. why not get a couple of ducks too? they're far more intelligent than chickens, you can easily house train them as pets, mine even responded to voice commands such as 'dinner', but the chickens never understood a spoken command.

oddly, my chickens' favorite food was fish.

My husband is only just coming to terms with the idea of chickens without throwing ducks into the equation too but you never know, i won't be putting all my eggs into one basket

Ba bum tish :D
 
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the main bonus about keeping chickens is the eggs, they taste great, you will definately tell the difference. why not get a couple of ducks too? they're far more intelligent than chickens, you can easily house train them as pets, mine even responded to voice commands such as 'dinner', but the chickens never understood a spoken command.

oddly, my chickens' favorite food was fish.

All the chickens, ducks and Geese responded to me. Soon as i shouted "COME ON!!!!!" they all knew it was food time and all would come running over as quick as they can.

battery hens you need to provide them with vitamin D which helps their feathers. Also becuase they have been trapped into a confined space then they wont have much oil in their feather so wont be water proof. you have to make sure the hens have a warm and dry retreat.

Also the comment of the hens dont know any better so its ok. They might not know any better but it still doesnt escape the fact that it is cruel and they have no quality of life. When I was at college I did an assignment on this and the stuff i found out with all the digging i did was sickening and very upsetting.
 
All the chickens, ducks and Geese responded to me. Soon as i shouted "COME ON!!!!!" they all knew it was food time and all would come running over as quick as they can.
imagine you're sitting in the garden, all the birds are getting on with life ignoring you completely, and you have no food with you. if i then said 'dinner' the ducks would run over, sit at my feet, and then stare into my eyes. nothing else took notice. if i then did not feed the ducks they would usually try to eat my toes.
 
i used to breed chickens, ducks, rabbits, quail & pigeons. we killed them all in the same way. neck breaking is quick and the most humane method available.

muslims use halal (throat slitting), which is barbaric imo and very difficult to watch, especially when they do it to a larger animal and you see it thrashing around in pain as its blood spills on to the floor. i've seen cows, goats and camels suffer it, they're aware of what is happening & they die slowly and in pain. the metal anguish must be terrible. remember most of the world still slit animal's throats and let them bleed to death, thanks to islam it is the only way they can butcher an animal.

breaking a bird's neck is as good as it gets for a farmed chicken. to halal a chicken it is put in a machine upside down, there are blades that slit its throat and strip its feathers off at the same time. this is a painful way to die. i've seen it happen many times, whenever i went to the chicken shop to buy one i had to sit and watch it get tortured to death in an evil machine. then you get given the chicken in a bag and take it home to eat. thats bloody difficult. also consider that this chicken spent its whole life in a cage the same size as itself so it could never move an inch. thats the harsh reality for the vast majority of chickens on this planet.

eating a uk farmed chicken is easy in comparison. in my mind the chickens farmed intensively in the uk are very lucky, and in comparison to most chickens around the world they live a very privledged life and die a very humane death. yet the hippies still complain?! thats ignorance for you

personally i dont have a problem with intensive chicken farming. the birds are blissfully unaware that their lives could be better, so in their mind they want for nothing. all their needs are satisfied.

now compare that to me, i want more, i've seen there is more out there, i can never be satisfied with my life no matter how well i do. surely my metal state is going to be worse than a chicken that has (as far as its concerned) the best possible life it could have.

on the other hand, i dont see why a bit of environment enrichment cant be more common, a few bales of hay dont cost much but can make the bird's lives better.

How the hell can you say that? Im sure a chicken thats spent its life contained in a tiny box, soaking in its own guano is thinking, man I'd love to stretch my legs right about now, If something is in pain and suffering, it is certainly not 'blissfully unaware'


Also wanted to say, to Dobby I think its really great your wanting to adopt some hens, I hope the recent media attention inspires more people as well. I'd love to keep chickens/ducks/geese, but my garden is so small they wouldnt realise they'd left the battery enclosure!
 
How the hell can you say that? Im sure a chicken thats spent its life contained in a tiny box, soaking in its own guano is thinking, man I'd love to stretch my legs right about now, If something is in pain and suffering, it is certainly not 'blissfully unaware'
they arent contained in a tiny box. they arent in pain and suffering.
 
eating a uk farmed chicken is easy in comparison. in my mind the chickens farmed intensively in the uk are very lucky, and in comparison to most chickens around the world they live a very privledged life and die a very humane death. yet the hippies still complain?! thats ignorance for you.

personally i dont have a problem with intensive chicken farming. the birds are blissfully unaware that their lives could be better, so in their mind they want for nothing. all their needs are satisfied.

i'm not convinced pain, discomfort, suffering counts as blissfully unaware.

e.g. just because you don't know what it feels like to not have your back hurting doesn't make it less painful does it?

needs satisfied? the ability to move around freely - to scratch in the dirt? to have dust baths? to sunbathe? all instinct to a chicken all not a slim possibility in their short confined lifetime.

i'm happy to be classed as an ignorant hippy by your standards as i disagree with you completely on this subject. :)
 
Looks to small to me

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Check your house deeds dobby! Most councils dont allow fowl in residential areas!
Im a firm believer that what you aint had you cant miss! While i dont condone the way they are kept, i dont feel they think theyre missing out on things! E.G. If i had never seen sunshine, i couldnt miss it cos i wouldnt know what it was!
 
i'm not convinced pain, discomfort, suffering counts as blissfully unaware.

e.g. just because you don't know what it feels like to not have your back hurting doesn't make it less painful does it?

needs satisfied? the ability to move around freely - to scratch in the dirt? to have dust baths? to sunbathe? all instinct to a chicken all not a slim possibility in their short confined lifetime.
anyone who has kept chickens knows that an unhappy or unhealthy bird does not eat, they starve themselves to death. if they really were in pain and were suffering they woudnt make it to the dinner table. lets not try to tell chickens what they do or do not need, they can do that perfectly well themselves.
 
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anyone who has kept chickens knows that an unhappy or unhealthy bird does not eat, they starve themselves to death. if they really were in pain and were suffering they woudnt make it to the dinner table. lets not try to tell chickens what they do or do not need, they can do that perfectly well themselves.

always kept chickens up til recently :)
 
How the hell can you say that? Im sure a chicken thats spent its life contained in a tiny box, soaking in its own guano is thinking, man I'd love to stretch my legs right about now, If something is in pain and suffering, it is certainly not 'blissfully unaware'

But as far as they know this is the life of a chicken. It's not like they were one day happily living on a farm and then snatched away and put in a cage, that is all they know of.

tbh i watched the first two Hugh's Chicken Run programmes and i thought intensive chicken farming in britain was much worse than the reality. I thought it was like other countries where chickens were locked in cages too small for them etc

They are given food water and shelter and killed in a pretty humane way as opposed to other cultures

I'm not saying it is fantastic but if they gave in to all these peoples demands then you would be paying about £10-15 a chicken just to keep the companies afloat
 
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So based on the argument that 'if you've never had it you dont know what your missing' How would you feel if you if it was babies/children/humans kept like that? I know its not a likely scenario, but would be comfortable with it? I know (some :p) humans brains are more complex than a chickens, however they still feel, they still have pain receptors, and being kept in those conditions they are still going to be unhappy.
I remember seeing a news story about a year ago about a teenage girl who'd been kept in a cupboard all her life by her crazy, religious parents, she'd never seen another human being, had no education, so is that ok? because she didnt know any different.... :rolleyes:
 
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