I'm not saying he's not a great man, or that he's not done a great thing. I'm saying he shouldn't have had to.
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Ah! but he wanted to....
i am very happy with my life but i think of others who dont have a lot to be happy about'
this guy has a different view (his swearword not mine)
Ah! but he wanted to....
the need to want should not have been there
You are obsessed. Your non political comments are amusing and interesting, your political ones spiteful and painful and you do your cause no service.
And with this comment you sum up the generally patronising and pitiful way the modern far left have treated people.
Take a step back and wonder exactly how the faffing Cobyn machine would have coped with this pandemic if it had hit the day after they pissed away borrowed money on public ownership of just about everything...while still having to look after the NHS and chunks of the now destroyed private sector.
Clearly people can snipe at all decisions, no one is perfect, let's try and support those with the big decisions with constructive comments.
They would have done what germany did, wake up to the fact you are part of one of the biggest mistakes in the uk's history and stop digging your self deeper in. we are well on the way to being the 2nd worst in the world for the way we dealt with this and still all you can say is corbyn would have done worse, its pretty much impossible to have done any wore than a pm ignoring the who's advice so much he ends up getting the virus himself.
Cherry picker right enough
just a reminder of how cleaver your glorious leader is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3NAx3tsy-k
Its a sick country we live in when people cant even except a 99 year old man should not have to be propping up the nhs due to 10 years of cuts
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if someone was suffering from a mental illness posting something like this would probably make it worse by the way, you could send that person over the edge.
Cleaver!!!?? & he's certainly not my leader. Twisting a lovely story about a lovely old man is not very cleaver, sorry I meant clever.
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Well I'm certainly not the only one on here that thinks you're certainly over the edge regarding your never ending obsession about your political views.
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The understanding I have is that socialism is what utterly crippled countries like Poland, yet people still think it's a good idea to try and bring socialism to the UK? [emoji52] I agree that modern life is sadly based on colossal greed, but I understand that that is the same throughout most of the developed world. I agree that the aforementioned greed is good mentality really needs to die, but I don't believe that corbynist socialism is the answer.
you are getting Communism and socialism mixed up. you need to look at non uk news providers and see how countries like NZ are doing with their left wing government, because our news wont report on ones doing better than us
Nobody with a basic understanding of history would ever argue that socialism is a good thing. That's for sure.
Trust me, if greed and 'the 1%' were as much of a problem in this country as the left would have you believe, we'd be stuck in the wilderness without clean water like some unfortunate parts of the world. In this country, the 1% funds a hell of a lot for the bottom 20% and I'd argue that's anything but greed. I think people telling rich people how to spend their money is greed.
100% on the Corbyn thing as well, we dodged a series of high-speed automatic round bullets there. Especially with the current global pandemic
Nobody with a basic understanding of history would ever argue that socialism is a good thing. That's for sure.
Trust me, if greed and 'the 1%' were as much of a problem in this country as the left would have you believe, we'd be stuck in the wilderness without clean water like some unfortunate parts of the world. In this country, the 1% funds a hell of a lot for the bottom 20% and I'd argue that's anything but greed. I think people telling rich people how to spend their money is greed.
100% on the Corbyn thing as well, we dodged a series of high-speed automatic round bullets there. Especially with the current global pandemic
Out of interest are you aware the government paying 80% of everyone's wages to stay at home is not generally a capitalist idea?
Also the government taking control of transport infrastructure is not exactly a free market at work is it?
If anything the current Conservative government has enacted more socialism than Corbyn ever would have in normal circumstances, but cos it's Boris you don't see it.
Also the NHS is a socialist idea...and we'd be in a significantly better position if Boris and Co hadn't been asset stripping it for years.
If I was a cynic I would suggest the government stepping in to pay wages is Boris ensuring his main donors don't lose money paying wages for people who aren't working.
But Conservative Socialism is generally about privatisation of profits and moving risks into the public sector.
There are socialist ideas there are capitalist ideas...no government is entirely one or the other, extremes are where the issues lie as in a all things.
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You’re right, but you’re forgetting that it’s only because of the global pandemic we’re facing. No such handing out money like this would be happening the current insane state of the world was happening.
But, many large private firms like the supermarkets, delivery couriers and factories up and down the country are all supporting people and are at the centre of helping society. That’s an amazing thing to see. Capitalism is good too because it’s in the interest of the companies to support society to support its workers to look after its business which in turn helps everybody.
I'm not forgetting the pandemic but as apparently you're a big fan capitalist theory that generally would say those who were unlucky enough not to be key workers should survive on their own by finding new market opportunities should they not? Not only that but if they get ill while doing so they should pay for their own treatment as well as a bit off the top for shareholders no?
People are not starving en-masse because the government is currently practicing socialism at this moment.
Is it sustainable at this level? Probably not, but socialism is not one idea and saying it's a bad idea when it is currently keeping people alive is an interesting point of view.
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Most countries in the world don't have an NHS like system. usually employers cover their health care privately. Both systems have their pros and cons. I like ours, though it definitely has its issues.
People aren't starving because private firms and suppliers and businesses are still providing food. And the government's measures are temporary dyer circumstances decisions, they only work because of capitalism and the return to supporting businesses in the free market when this passes. If this was standard practice, it'd fall flat on its face. Free money doesn't exist.
I wouldn't credit socialism whatsoever for the current decisions that are keeping people safe and well. Because capitalism is what's making it work. Private businesses and investment and the fact that it will be returned once this passes.
I'd be happy to discuss my views more with you via PM so that the thread doesn't get hijacked. But I had to chip in to agree with puntofan01 my personal opinion that socialism is bad. And there I was feeling proud for not getting involved in non-car stuff for a while.. lol
https://international.commonwealthfund.org/countries/germany/
While there is a reasonable duscussion taking place this is how Germany does it. It is essentially a private public bit of teamwork, however, all of the finance is private through mandatory personal health insurance. Now you can put labels on this, however, it is only a small step away from a national government health insurance premium on tax, as funded the NHS. How they manage the ruthless decisions about who gets care over others, and those really difficult policies, not sure, on balance outcomes are similar, possibly with less political shouting.
People organise themselves in different ways, the problems come when extremists from any bias become over represented.
While there is a reasonable duscussion taking place this is how Germany does it. It is essentially a private public bit of teamwork, however, all of the finance is private through mandatory personal health insurance. Now you can put labels on this, however, it is only a small step away from a national government health insurance premium on tax, as funded the NHS. How they manage the ruthless decisions about who gets care over others, and those really difficult policies, not sure, on balance outcomes are similar, possibly with less political shouting.
People organise themselves in different ways, the problems come when extremists from any bias become over represented.
Socialism is the NHS, it is benefits, it’s giving money to charity and to other poor countries, it’s social housing, it’s drug rehabilitation, huge swaths of the uk psyche is set in socialism.
Capitalism as rightly pointed out is having to pay for all the above, so if you don’t believe in any bit of socialism then you have to be prepared to pay £15,000 out of your own pocket if you need your appendix out. If you lose your job or like at the present time the government telling you to stay at home. The shops don’t provide the food they sell food the money to pay for that if you’re furloughed and not working, comes from socialism.
I don’t understand why people fall one side of the fence or the other, both have positive and negative aspects.
The number one cause of bankruptcy in the USA is health care, they pay on average twice as much for health care because capitalism allows companies to charge what they want. People who can’t afford health care in the United State die! If you had a car accident in the USA it would personally cost you $2500 for the ambulance to come out. The accident might not be your fault, you hit a bit of debris or oil on the road skidded on ice, the medical bill is on you. If you work you might have some medical cover, but you can still end up with debts of tens of thousands even with medical insurance in the states...
Other countries don’t have free education, because free education is a socialist idea, 100 years ago in the uk people would end up labouring in ship yards or building sites unable to read or write and spend their whole life doing that because they had no way to better themselves in anyway.
Not everything is black and white, the uk is not socialist or capitalist it is and has for a very long time been both.
Capitalism as rightly pointed out is having to pay for all the above, so if you don’t believe in any bit of socialism then you have to be prepared to pay £15,000 out of your own pocket if you need your appendix out. If you lose your job or like at the present time the government telling you to stay at home. The shops don’t provide the food they sell food the money to pay for that if you’re furloughed and not working, comes from socialism.
I don’t understand why people fall one side of the fence or the other, both have positive and negative aspects.
The number one cause of bankruptcy in the USA is health care, they pay on average twice as much for health care because capitalism allows companies to charge what they want. People who can’t afford health care in the United State die! If you had a car accident in the USA it would personally cost you $2500 for the ambulance to come out. The accident might not be your fault, you hit a bit of debris or oil on the road skidded on ice, the medical bill is on you. If you work you might have some medical cover, but you can still end up with debts of tens of thousands even with medical insurance in the states...
Other countries don’t have free education, because free education is a socialist idea, 100 years ago in the uk people would end up labouring in ship yards or building sites unable to read or write and spend their whole life doing that because they had no way to better themselves in anyway.
Not everything is black and white, the uk is not socialist or capitalist it is and has for a very long time been both.
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It hasn't been a fair split for a very long time though, a fairer distribution of wealth is long over due. They Tories have looked after me financially ok so far during this, if a was a member of the sod you jack i'm alright community i'd probably be very happy atm i am even allowed to still trade as classed as healthcare as long as i do it under strict control. but i am not one of them and i hate seeing others suffer.
