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Brexit (hard soft non-existent) wont make a blind bit of difference because -

(1) UK slavishly enforces everything the EU suggests (never mind actually demands)
(2) the internet is borderless so unless the EU erects a China style firewall, their demands will affect everyone**.
(4) the soft left are getting ever harder so its getting difficult for right wing thoughts (good, bad or ugly) to be seen. Though quite why freedom of speech is (allegedly) right wing I really don't know.

** What does the USA have to say about all this?



These new bills passed by the EU by far surpass the level of censorship in China. And that’s a real statement in itself :-/
 
That's twisting things slightly.

More accurately - "The Chinese don't care about copyright or intellectual property".

Besides, our own Government is much, much more dangerous in this respect - the Porn Block rules are very dangerous indeed and are worthy of comparisons with China.
 
When the public get hooked into an electronic communications system it's all too easy for governments to muscle in and take control.

But we now have the soft control of the morality mob. Before we know it anything outside their "normality" gets shouted down. I mean Brexiteers are being called "fascist" and "Hitlers" yet they all ignore that Hitler was actually only a bit to the right of Stalin. The woman who chose to have sex with her film director boss, yet he has still been hounded out of his job and she's suffered some nasty invective. "Me Too" has many good points but that is off the rails and nobody should be guilty until proven innocent.

We have only one proven way to avoid global warming and that's fundamentally safe (and thereby low cost) nuclear fission power and heat. Yet we constantly have misinformation about bombs, toxic waste, etc. Windmills and solar panels will never be enough and neither will cutting back on energy use**. Recycling needs energy and LOTS of it on demand.

Nuclear fusion is a mere pipe dream and even that has to be shielded as ionising radiation will be emitted. Even if it ever does work it will be too late and too expensive for the poorer countries to afford it.

** Cutting back on energy use suits the Green's Puritan narrative, because the left want everyone under their control. What's better than restricting our energy use. They conveniently forget that the world's poor waste their lives away (especially the women) on menial tasks like laundry washing by hand and manual labour to grow crops.
 
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That's twisting things slightly.

More accurately - "The Chinese don't care about copyright or intellectual property".

Besides, our own Government is much, much more dangerous in this respect - the Porn Block rules are very dangerous indeed and are worthy of comparisons with China.



These new EU articles aren’t really concerned about copyright or intellectual property, that’s just a way to rationalise total censorship of all forms of creativity and opinion. Sadly.

Our government can be pressured by us against things like that. We stand a chance. Especially post brexit. Before, it would have always been ‘you’re in the club, you reap our benefits so you’ll do what your told, you’re only one of many countries so your opinion is minimised’.
 
When the public get hooked into an electronic communications system it's all too easy for governments to muscle in and take control.

But we now have the soft control of the morality mob. Before we know it anything outside their "normality" gets shouted down. I mean Brexiteers are being called "fascist" and "Hitlers" yet they all ignore that Hitler was actually only a bit to the right of Stalin. The woman who chose to have sex with her film director boss, yet he has still been hounded out of his job and she's suffered some nasty invective. "Me Too" has many good points but that is off the rails and nobody should be guilty until proven innocent.

We have only one proven way to avoid global warming and that's fundamentally safe (and thereby low cost) nuclear fission power and heat. Yet we constantly have misinformation about bombs, toxic waste, etc. Windmills and solar panels will never be enough and neither will cutting back on energy use**. Recycling needs energy and LOTS of it on demand.

Nuclear fusion is a mere pipe dream and even that has to be shielded as ionising radiation will be emitted. Even if it ever does work it will be too late and too expensive for the poorer countries to afford it.

** Cutting back on energy use suits the Green's Puritan narrative, because the left want everyone under their control. What's better than restricting our energy use. They conveniently forget that the world's poor waste their lives away (especially the women) on menial tasks like laundry washing by hand and manual labour to grow crops.



I agree.

Though I think there’s very little we can do about climate change to be honest, with our limited understanding, resources and time. I mean we could devote 98% of the worlds resources and achieve very little in 100 years time.

I’m not saying it’s not important, but I think disease research and solving social problems might benefit more people, faster and then perhaps with the better state of humanity maybe we’ll have more people to help crack it.

...sorry, that got a bit broad! And I’m by no means an expert in any of this. But I know enough to know the EU is turning into a communist regime with this level of censorship.. and that’s not using the remainders scare-tactics, thats legitimately what you can refer to a government that demands that level of control regardless of what its people think ...
 
If you didn’t like Brexit, you probably will now...

https://youtu.be/J4DhecQQjdM

No idea who this guy is but his comments are massively over exaggerated.

Also brexit would make not difference as the U.K. governent had already said they would impliment what every rules came out of this, whether we were in or out because our own laws governing intellectual property predate the internet. :shakehead:
 
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UK has always gold plated EU directives as if they were hard rules. It was (is?) a great way for the state machine to increase it's hold on the country and blame outsiders into the bargain. Why else would 95% of the civil service be hard anti Brexit?
 
Their ignorance to the huge amount of protest around the world (even the outside of the EU countries) really says it all about how what they want, they’ll do. Regardless of what member states populations actually want.


But even to put it simply, one size doesn’t fit all. With any of this stuff. And nobody wants more censorship. We have complete freedom today and our media is still a disaster, scaring people away from Brexit. Imagine EU controlled media ... Definitely will wash my hands of UK / EU and move to a country like Canada or Australia if that actually happens.
 
The EU usually moderate many of the loony tunes policies some of our authoritarian governments try to impose.

This is quite telling about our society - and why it will get much, much worse without recourse to the EU.

"The UK is unusual in the arrangement that Ministers sign off on warrants when the inspection of bulk collected data is requested by the security services. Just under 3 thousand warrants were requested and authorized in 2014 by the Secretary of State. Typically, in most democracies, independent judges decide and sign off police warrants in the cases where surveillance is of an intrusive nature."

We are the most surveillanced developed / democratic country in the world, we have been conditioned to accept surveillance, accept neighbours and friends spying and reporting minor infringements and have a government who wants to monitor our every action on the internet. Many of these measures are opposed by the EU and EU nations - Germany and Austria are very much against increasing state control and surveillance. Without their moderation, we are heading towards 1984 and are not a million miles away from the practices of the Stasi.

Canada is expensive and I fail to see the benefits of moving to a country where a vast proportion of the male population are stuck in the 1950s.
 
Their ignorance to the huge amount of protest around the world (even the outside of the EU countries) really says it all about how what they want, they’ll do. Regardless of what member states populations actually want.

But even to put it simply, one size doesn’t fit all. With any of this stuff. And nobody wants more censorship. We have complete freedom today and our media is still a disaster, scaring people away from Brexit. Imagine EU controlled media ... Definitely will wash my hands of UK / EU and move to a country like Canada or Australia if that actually happens.

If Labour take power I'll be along with you. They will trash the economy and the stuff being said by Corbyn's helpers is scary indeed. It's only a small step from from hard socialism to all out communism. We all know how that turns out.
 
If Labour take power I'll be along with you. They will trash the economy and the stuff being said by Corbyn's helpers is scary indeed. It's only a small step from from hard socialism to all out communism. We all know how that turns out.

There's more than a little irony in a Brexiteer declaring they'll leave the UK if Labour win an election!

I think it speaks volumes about Brexit supporters.
 
If Labour take power I'll be along with you. They will trash the economy

Brexit will/is trashing our economy, already some huge organisations have moved out of London and we will loose our status as the financial centre for Europe clearing all the most massive transactions across the whole EU.

This means hundreds of Billions of pounds and euros not going through the UK anymore, all those workers on massive incomes moving away and taking their tax paying salaries with them.

As a country we are currently haemorrhaging money thanks to brexit. :bang:
 
Brexit will/is trashing our economy, already some huge organisations have moved out of London and we will loose our status as the financial centre for Europe clearing all the most massive transactions across the whole EU.

This means hundreds of Billions of pounds and euros not going through the UK anymore, all those workers on massive incomes moving away and taking their tax paying salaries with them.

As a country we are currently haemorrhaging money thanks to brexit. :bang:

If we end up with a no deal Brexit, too be like shopping in a Soviet era supermarket within weeks. Even if we smooth the supply chain, the biggest challenge will be landing enough fuel to ship it around. We are nowhere near self sufficient in refining capability and Brent crude needs blending with lighter crudes to make anything useful.

If we get any other deal, it looks like we will have to comply with EU rules without being part of the club which makes them. It’s a complete and utter disaster just because some people are a little bit racist.
 
May's new treaty says nothing about services. So don't expect any nicey nicey treatment if she does get it through.

The EU does not control oil imports.

Calais and other mainland sea ports say they are ready and prepared for no deal/WTO operations. They are pretty p***ed off that the Brexit date is being put back. The really serious damage is being caused by the uncertainty caused UK's utterly incompetent leadership. Brexit is the excuse but poor/no delivery is the real reason commerce is slowing.

Southampton moves £billions of material into and out of the country from NONE EU sources with no delays. WHy should the EU be any different after a separation?

If Corbyn gets into power, London's financial industry will vanish in a flash. It will never serve anyone as well as it has served UK but it wont hang around to be shafted by bunch of communists.
 
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Honestly, this is going to be like Trump.... the world isn’t going to end.

Just because something is going to be hard, doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing.

The EU is headed for a Nazi germany like takeover of Europe, and once they do you can bet they’ll be throwing their weight around on the world stage.

Just like we don’t like to let companies turn into unstoppable monopolies, the EU must be broken.

These are countries with their own history, culture, ways of life, beliefs etc... one size does not fit all. What a silly idea.

When it all crumbles we’ll look back at this era and people will wonder what on earth anyone ever saw the value in it in the first place.

Trade agreements? Yes. United European Army and censorship etc. No.
 
EU censorship?

You are familiar with Tory policy?

The EU moderate the Stasi style controls our current government want to impose and without them, we are going to be come an authoritarian hell hole, with ever decreasing rights and liberties.
 
Rather large wasp flitting around the kitchen at 10pm tonight.

Tried to coax it outside, but it refused, so it got bopped.

This made me smile and I have to ask, were you grumpy because it was a wasp? or because of the annoying time it was still up and invading your kitchen? or because you had to kill it in the end as it wouldn't see sense and exit as directed?

I have an irrational hate of wasps even though I've never been stung by one but I won't kill them and go out of my way to guide them out of the house if possible much to other peoples amusement. I feel guilty if I kill them on purpose
 
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