What's made you grumpy today?

[Andy Monty]

People driving in heavy rain with rear fog lights on so making it difficult for drivers behind to see......FOG-lights.........the clue is in the name..:bang:

wrong...


226
You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236). Law RVLR regs 25 & 27



236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.
Law RVLR regs 25 & 27


http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/seasonal/driving-in-fog.html

i entered the fog bank i put my rear fog when i entered the thickest fog i have ever seen i put all my fogs on the other week at which point the car behind which had been riding on my bumper through the thinner fog patches then tried been clever flashing his main beam continuously ..... the visibility was less than 50 m and i was doing 30 on a NSL road... indicated left, moved over, slowed and he started blasting his horn and failed to overtake... ... :tosser:

 

[Gavv8]

The law is wrong...high intensity rear lights are perfectly adequate for anything up to dense fog, blinding rear fog lights in heavy rain distract your vision from brake lights and hazards at the side of the road...
The majority of these kinds of law have not been updated for many years and don't take in to account modern vehicle lighting.

 

[varesecrazy]

The law is wrong...high intensity rear lights are perfectly adequate for anything up to dense fog, blinding rear fog lights in heavy rain distract your vision from brake lights and hazards at the side of the road...
The majority of these kinds of law have not been updated for many years and don't take in to account modern vehicle lighting.

not sure It's WRONG.. BUT yes vehicle lighting had changed hugely in the last 15 years..,
Still get annoyed by drivers with "target" rear lights, who brake.then indicate, the red masking the yellow indicator, and you pull up behind them wondering why on earth they are sat motionless .. unaware they have their left indicator going.. - if they used their handbrake,,you would know :bang:

charlie

 

[dave]

its not wrong its just people don't know actually how short 100 meters is, hardly ever will it rain hard enough to reduce visibility to 100 meters or less if you have a good clean screen and good wipers.
I think often the ones who put them on when not needed have either crap wipers a dirty or greasy screen/ wrong product on screen or all of them, so they cant see and think its the same for every one else.

Tonight I've had the opposite problem like others in this thread, people with no lights at all on

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Also for reference, fog is when visibility is less than 100 meters, mist is anything above, only learnt that the other month on the One Show

The law is wrong...high intensity rear lights are perfectly adequate for anything up to dense fog, blinding rear fog lights in heavy rain distract your vision from brake lights and hazards at the side of the road...
The majority of these kinds of law have not been updated for many years and don't take in to account modern vehicle lighting.

Sorry, can you claify your first comment "high intensity rear lights are perfectly adequate for anything up to dense fog". So you're implying fog lamps etc are fine if its not foggy?

Then you say they mask brake lights so shouldn't be used

its not wrong its just people don't know actually how short 100 meters is

:yeahthat:

Its only 2 Olympic swimming pool lengths / 28(ish) car lengths bumper to bumper touching if all parked up.

Almost never need fogs lamps on when people use them.

 

[Gavv8]

By high intensity I mean modern LED lighting that is brighter and more efficient than ordinary bulbs and can be seen even in pretty foggy conditions without resorting to rear foglights, I am a HGV driver and so have some experience of this over the last 14 years and countless miles.
By masking the brake lights I have noticed that some cars in particular German ones can be difficult to see braking when they are using the rear fog lights.

 

[scout]

I had to do two hours overtime this evening because a poxy taxi didn't turn up and I had to get two kids home from school. That's the first 11 hour day I've done in a long time and its not something I want to repeat anytime soon.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

By high intensity I mean modern LED lighting that is brighter and more efficient than ordinary bulbs and can be seen even in pretty foggy conditions without resorting to rear foglights,

I'm with you now

 

[Eklipze3k]

modern vehicle lighting.

Not everyone drives a modern vehicle.

 

[wrightyy]

Opened my car door and the tax disc blew straight out because of the wind! No chance of finding it either.
Luckily it's due to be renewed in 9 days :-D

 

[Gavv8]

Not everyone drives a modern vehicle.

Not every car or its owner causes problems.

 

[Eklipze3k]

Exactly, so forbidding me in my dimly lit vehicle from using my rear fog to make sure the folk behind me know where I am is crazy.

 

[scout]

People keep discussing fog lights. Everyone read the law and abide by it how bloody simple is that?

 

[MadMan0]

Power cut at University left me suspended mid air in a race simulator for an age while also wiping all of my project results which took over 3 hours to compute

Cannot be bothered to setup the test again on the computers and wait another day for the results While the power cut also wiped the results from the sim which i needed for my coursework

Also, washed my car to find most of the paint has been removed from the front wings, bumper and bonnet from stone chips while the chrome work has corroded (new car that i've only had for 5 months needing a second respray already, I hate this car. Yet i love it too.)

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

(new car that i've only had for 5 months needing a second respray already, I hate this car. Yet i love it too.)

That a Citroen DS?

 

[scout]

Can't believe its Christmas in just over two days, I'm just not feeling it yet.

 

[Kirstie93]

Can't believe its Christmas in just over two days, I'm just not feeling it yet.

I don't think it's cold enough to be Christmas

I was starting to feel Christmassy then remembered I have to work in York on Christmas Eve dreading the Christmas traffic!!

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

I don't think it's cold enough to be Christmas

Its exactly the same as it was last year, if not colder tbh.

 

[Dragon Man]

found out today that my dad was alive after the crash.
what killed him was the fact it took the ambulance 25 minuets to reach the scene.
the crash happened at 14:00. not even rush hour.

nothing like living in a time where a fking pizza gets to you faster than an ambulance.

 

[MadMan0]

That a Citroen DS?

That's the one.


New grump is that i was given $172,000,000 on GTA Online yesterday... ruins the game... I can't get rid the money either, and i've also found out that people who have been given such money or have cheated/modded the game to do so are all getting banned.

Even if you did nothing wrong, didn't want the money or ask for it; people are still getting banned?

Still to do xmas shopping & coursework... should really stop playing games :devil: