That's what I meant BTW. Not that it was illegal,
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""Agreed, and if the vendor is not private then you do have a comeback. Citizens advice would be a good starting point or even a solicitor. I seriously doubt that given these circumstances the "dealer" would hesitate to take the car back when presented with a solicitors letter and a few facts regarding consumer law."""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I agree, you could go for your money back but as i said, upon collection the missing key was apparent!!!!
And again "the negotiator" price and value for money is again leagally irespective. If the car was 100 quid leagally it still has the same defects, paying more or less is not relevant.
Im not disputing the "fault" just trying to add a wider opinon,
Hang on, you said:
"Back to the key. The missing red key is classed legally as a major defect and so can be retured."
How have I misinterepted you, you have specifically written that.
Yep i did, not illegal though, you said that it's illegal to sell a car with such a fault, its not!!!!!!
Illegal is different to defective!!! Something defective is not illegal, illeagal means you are breaking the law and so can be arrested as such!!!!!
I agree, you could go for your money back but as i said, upon collection the missing key was apparent!!!!
And again "the negotiator" price and value for money is again leagally irespective. If the car was 100 quid leagally it still has the same defects, paying more or less is not relevant.
Im not disputing the "fault" just trying to add a wider opinon,
Hang on, you said:
"Back to the key. The missing red key is classed legally as a major defect and so can be retured."
How have I misinterepted you, you have specifically written that.
Yep i did, not illegal though, you said that it's illegal to sell a car with such a fault, its not!!!!!!
Illegal is different to defective!!! Something defective is not illegal, illeagal means you are breaking the law and so can be arrested as such!!!!!
I will argue my point tomorrow when I am in a better position to do so.
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Sorry if im starting to sound like a fcccuking arssse, but i am a trader, whilst i understand people and what they want, and that they should buy what they want, are happy with and is exactly what they "think" it is, it is a bit unfair to flair off at a trader with the wrong information, as is to try for a refund because you think you could have bought cheaper.
This will be taken both ways, but if he said the car was 400 quid, no one would say take it back, they would say get a key from timpsons. Its a matter of opinion and obviously the buyer was happy with the price, so in the eyes of the buyer the issue is the key, not the price!!!!
And on the auctions, ill admit bargains can be had as the punto legend Dave suggests, but there are some bad ones and at least with a trade sale you do have the chance to inspect and conduct checks. I wouldnt advise a new buyer to go to the auctions in my opinion. Although for those with good knowledge then they can throw up some bargains!!!!
This will be taken both ways, but if he said the car was 400 quid, no one would say take it back, they would say get a key from timpsons. Its a matter of opinion and obviously the buyer was happy with the price, so in the eyes of the buyer the issue is the key, not the price!!!!
And on the auctions, ill admit bargains can be had as the punto legend Dave suggests, but there are some bad ones and at least with a trade sale you do have the chance to inspect and conduct checks. I wouldnt advise a new buyer to go to the auctions in my opinion. Although for those with good knowledge then they can throw up some bargains!!!!
And I apologise for giving an unusually bad argument.
coupe coupe said:
Actually this makes no difference, ignorance is not a defence in any legal matter. As a dealer it his responsibility to know what he is selling.
It's the same as buying a ringer from a dealer, even though the dealer didn't know they are responsible and would have to take it back.
In this case if the dealer offers to provide a new (or replacment) ECU and locks etc, then you can't reject the car immediately. You have to give the dealer sufficient opportunity to rectify the fault.
If the £995 included tax, warranty etc etc, then it isn't too bad I think.
Andy
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Ringers are diffent, thats illeagal not a defect.
I would go for option 2...
then, get a uncut RED key from dealer, cut it to the blue key that came with the car- this way you dont need to change locks.
Then with the red key you've purchased swap over the chip inside it and fit the ECU and code box.
This way the key will fit the existing locks, and will already match the code box and ecu.
then, get a uncut RED key from dealer, cut it to the blue key that came with the car- this way you dont need to change locks.
Then with the red key you've purchased swap over the chip inside it and fit the ECU and code box.
This way the key will fit the existing locks, and will already match the code box and ecu.
coupe coupe said:
In makes no difference, ignorance in either case is no defence. It was just an example of ignorance not being a defence.
Andy
Just read this thread while searching for something else. I just thought it was funny, all this discussion and the guy who posted never even bother to look back!
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In Post 10, Coupe Coupe say's "you will never need the red key", if the immobiliser goes wrong just buy a complete ECU kit for £80! I have a 1996 55S which developed an ECU fault, ie the ECU didn't recognise the key when it was in the ignition, that includes the RED key, and I had to get it recoded for all keys for about £145 at Fiat, if I didn't have the Red key it would have cost more than £700, I was told. According to Coupe Coupe if I had chucked the Red key away and bought a complete ECU kit I could have saved myself £65. This doesn't seem quite right and I think I smell B.S.
I would not go all the way of version 2.
Fit it yourself and ask the dealer for some money for the inconvenience back and tell him he hid this little detail, which is rather unethical.
Fit it yourself and ask the dealer for some money for the inconvenience back and tell him he hid this little detail, which is rather unethical.
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Ouch... sounds like you're bangin your head against a brick wall here mate... well... I'd go for option two... provided you could return the parts in the event of them bein duff... I'd say the fiver-off-a-grand price is all fair as long as the car was mechanically sound and was supplied on the road... that meaning with T and T for a full year... some larger car supermarkets (who shall remain nameless) have been known to supply cars without tax and only tell the new owners after they have given up the keys and tax from their old car and accept the new one... As long as you were made aware of this fault then the guy covered his own back... but it's certainly something you need to address, as coupe coupe implied, it is unlikely at best that the ECU or key will foul up,but do you wanna be caught with a dead car if sod's law strikes?