The Panda Nut
Nutty about Pandas Infected by Panda virus and OPD
Apparently the Abarth Rallye was based on a 1.3 diesel, maybe a slightly different thing but also very succsessful. It produced 102BHP.
General What is the Panda A5
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General What is the Panda A5
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I am begining to understand a few things
Why they don't use the 16V 1.4L
The hydraulic tappets making a higher lift camshaft swap problematic
The amount of work is double 16 vs 8
The Punto cylinders can be bored out to 72mm
Which gives 1200 from the 1100 and 1300 from the 1200 approximately
The 1308 can also be further stroked to give 1388 which just happens to be the exact size of the two factory built Evo pandas
So I think we can assume that's what's been used
However boring and stroking comes at a price, both expence and strength, but for full race it also lightens the block
The punto 75 Cylinder head has the best airflow
The punto 75 and superfire uses stronger billet steel bearing blocks instead of cast iron of the rest
The 16V connecting rods are lighter and rev higher
The 16V super-fire is a stronger block but I don't know if the punto 75 head fits
Here some mods done to the Punto, I don't know if the Pandas ECU is as forgiving
1.2
Panel filter
Increased compression
Ported 75 head
Road cam
Lighten and balanced
Freeflow exhaust
95hp
And one stage further
Panel filter
Race camshaft
Ported 75 head
3 angled valve seat
Increased compression ratio
Double valve springs
Lightened and balanced
Freeflow exhaust manifold
Custom inlet and 4x throttle bodies
Custom ECU
Rolling road
123bhp
Still not easy or cheap
Why they don't use the 16V 1.4L
The hydraulic tappets making a higher lift camshaft swap problematic
The amount of work is double 16 vs 8
The Punto cylinders can be bored out to 72mm
Which gives 1200 from the 1100 and 1300 from the 1200 approximately
The 1308 can also be further stroked to give 1388 which just happens to be the exact size of the two factory built Evo pandas
So I think we can assume that's what's been used
However boring and stroking comes at a price, both expence and strength, but for full race it also lightens the block
The punto 75 Cylinder head has the best airflow
The punto 75 and superfire uses stronger billet steel bearing blocks instead of cast iron of the rest
The 16V connecting rods are lighter and rev higher
The 16V super-fire is a stronger block but I don't know if the punto 75 head fits
Here some mods done to the Punto, I don't know if the Pandas ECU is as forgiving
1.2
Panel filter
Increased compression
Ported 75 head
Road cam
Lighten and balanced
Freeflow exhaust
95hp
And one stage further
Panel filter
Race camshaft
Ported 75 head
3 angled valve seat
Increased compression ratio
Double valve springs
Lightened and balanced
Freeflow exhaust manifold
Custom inlet and 4x throttle bodies
Custom ECU
Rolling road
123bhp
Still not easy or cheap
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Unfortunately it looks like the 75 head would be a no go for the panda
The engine mount was different back then
The above information and HP figures were from an old wolf performance article
The camshafts fast road and race were a piper reprofile
They aren't listed on pipers website any more, but no doubt they still have them on file
The engine mount was different back then
The above information and HP figures were from an old wolf performance article
The camshafts fast road and race were a piper reprofile
They aren't listed on pipers website any more, but no doubt they still have them on file
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The cheaper Cup cars brakes
Front Stilo 1.8 16V
Rear punto hgt
Front Stilo 1.8 16V
Rear punto hgt
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Also cup car
Uses the punto, 75 the aluminum intake manifold
Uses the punto, 75 the aluminum intake manifold
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The big daddy Evo runs
Tyres 18/58/15 michelin 178mm width
Wheels OZ 6x15
6 speed close ratio gearbox with LSD
Stroked and bored 1.2 to 1388
Compession raised to 13.2
Tyres 18/58/15 michelin 178mm width
Wheels OZ 6x15
6 speed close ratio gearbox with LSD
Stroked and bored 1.2 to 1388
Compession raised to 13.2
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The trophy cup version looks a lot like the standard Panda 1.2 from 2005 the year this car ran
I believe this is 120 hp but might be wrong
Here's what is think I see
Same photo without me writing all over it may be there other things I have missed
I believe this is 120 hp but might be wrong
Here's what is think I see
Same photo without me writing all over it may be there other things I have missed
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The original trophy cup car was built on a budget around 2005
When you take in to account the safety equipment, fuel cell, harness, plumbed in fire extinguisher, roll cage, wheels, tyres, brake lines, battery, cut off switch, plus labour and the price of the car,
Plus big costs on essentials such as the LSD and comp struts
I doubt the 130 HP version had too much done on the engine and gearbox
The 160 HP Evo was at least 5X the price
It's like 18 years ago and a lot of the data is now being lost
If anyone wants to follow the tried and tested route it might be useful to document as much as possible.
A lot of the expensive Evo is known, one was up for sale with 54 quality photos
When you take in to account the safety equipment, fuel cell, harness, plumbed in fire extinguisher, roll cage, wheels, tyres, brake lines, battery, cut off switch, plus labour and the price of the car,
Plus big costs on essentials such as the LSD and comp struts
I doubt the 130 HP version had too much done on the engine and gearbox
The 160 HP Evo was at least 5X the price
It's like 18 years ago and a lot of the data is now being lost
If anyone wants to follow the tried and tested route it might be useful to document as much as possible.
A lot of the expensive Evo is known, one was up for sale with 54 quality photos
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Photos of the EVO before they get lost for ever
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Trying to find similar set of photos for the original of these
36K euros including 9 rounds logistics and mechanical support
Built on a tight budget around 2007 and using mainly off the shelf parts
There were at least 12 made, possibly more
The original gallery on https://www.supergara.it/ is now a dead link and wayback machine hasn't got it archived
Plenty of info on replicas but would be nice to see how supergara put them together
36K euros including 9 rounds logistics and mechanical support
Built on a tight budget around 2007 and using mainly off the shelf parts
There were at least 12 made, possibly more
The original gallery on https://www.supergara.it/ is now a dead link and wayback machine hasn't got it archived
Plenty of info on replicas but would be nice to see how supergara put them together
