Water as fuel

[wellsy87]

Looks rather interesting...and nothing new (by the sounds of it, Governments and oil companies have kept the idea hidden for decades for fear of financial losses!)

http://www.h20fuel.co.uk/index.htm

 

[ChrisUK]

Looks rather interesting...and nothing new (by the sounds of it, Governments and oil companies have kept the idea hidden for decades for fear of financial losses!)

http://www.h20fuel.co.uk/index.htm

One of these get's posted every year.

I get worried when a site talks about alternative fuels which realistically is a very complex subject requiring a very high level of education and the IDIOT that coded that 'web page' cannot grasp the use of the CAPS LOCK key

I'd sooner take a whizz in my tank than do anything they recommend / or send them money.

 

[arc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell

According to Meyer, the device required less energy to perform electrolysis than the minimum energy requirement predicted or measured by conventional science.[1] If the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics,[1][2] allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine.[2] Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1][3]

In 1996, Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed

 

[Shadeyman]

We will one day use water(H2O) as a fuel, but not yet.

 

[Doofer]

There is no energy in water, only in the hydrogen extracted from it. It needs more energy to extract the hydrogen than you get back from burning it.

The H and the O are very well stuck together. You need to use a lot of energy to pull them apart.

You then get energy back when they stick back together, i.e. from burning the Hydrogen (using plentiful oxygen from the air).

Car makers are working on Hydrogen-powered cars. They do dribble water out as a result of combining hydrogen with oxygen. However, it's wrong to say that water is the only emission, as lots of energy was used to get the hydrogen from the water in the first place.

 

[Shadeyman]

Hydrogen and Oxygen mixed produce a hell of a bang, far more than hydrogen alone. 2 wires connected to a small 9v battery and dropped into a glass of water has enough power to split the hydrogen and oxygen. Technology will continue to advance and water will eventually be used as a fuel, there's far too much of it to ignore it as a fuel source.

 

[arc]

Hydrogen to power fuel cells comes from water, it's the best way to mass 'produce' hydrogren. But when people say that the 'only' emission from a hydrogren fuel cell car is water then they aren't telling the fully story. In exactly the same way that battery electric cars are not zero emissions. Crap is emiited in sourcing the fuel, be it hydrogen or an extension lead charging the batteries up.

The process of getting hydrogen from water requires more energy to be put in than is released when the molecules rejoin as they're burnt. That is why water will never be used as a fuel.

 

[Focus Owner]

the best way will still be wind power with, some kind of storage.
the question is, can it be possible to have a 100% efficient way of sotring power.

 

[craigb244]

spot on arc.... hydrogen requires hell of a lot of energy to produce.

I once made a "fuel cell" just to make a little hydrogen to light.

glass jar filled with water and a little salt and two strips of stainless.
connected it to a 12volt battery and it took about 30seconds to produce enough gas to light.

the current draw was about 15amps iirc and after 5mins the glass/water got very warm.(guessing this must also be free energy lol)

 

[ben]

In the near future, you'll lift you bonnet and see this ....

 

[Focus Owner]

don't be silly ben

 

[Dominion]

In the near future, you'll lift you bonnet and see this ....

Based on performance, that could be a photo of the Vauxhall Ecotec engine in my Vectra

 

[ChrisUK]

Hydrogen and Oxygen mixed produce a hell of a bang, far more than hydrogen alone. 2 wires connected to a small 9v battery and dropped into a glass of water has enough power to split the hydrogen and oxygen. Technology will continue to advance and water will eventually be used as a fuel, there's far too much of it to ignore it as a fuel source.

:yeahthat: The only reason we aren't using it now is theres still plenty of oil left to burn and to extort plenty of £££'s out of :bang:

 

[Shadeyman]

In the near future, you'll lift you bonnet and see this ....

Ben, did you know the guy who did this ran his sound system using the power they produced?

Each potato generates about 0.5 volts and 0.2 milliamperes. I connected groups of potatoes together in series to increase voltage and then connected these groups together in parallel to increase amperage. The entire 500 lb battery generated around 5 volts and 4 milliamperes.
http://latteier.com/potato

 

[sludgeguts]

If I had my way, the new tech engine for buses would consist of three long chains with manacles attached along their length and a rioter encased in each manacle. The bus driver would have access to a special switch which could deliver a decent zap along one or more chains to 'boost' output :devil:

 

[dombooth]

If I had my way, the new tech engine for buses would consist of three long chains with manacles attached along their length and a rioter encased in each manacle. The bus driver would have access to a special switch which could deliver a decent zap along one or more chains to 'boost' output :devil:

Dom

 

[sludgeguts]

Looks rather interesting...and nothing new (by the sounds of it, Governments and oil companies have kept the idea hidden for decades for fear of financial losses!)

http://www.h20fuel.co.uk/index.htm

There are a couple of things which immediately jump out - not just the fact that most of the blurb is written in hard-to-read capitals but numerous spelling mistakes "you have to aggree" - ffs, you're paying some pikey to create a professional looking website, get it proof read.
And the fact that the headings say "run your car on water" is just completely misleading in this instance. The hydrogen fuel cell is acting as a supplement to the car's usual fuel to encourage a more complete burn and maybe even get more power and not, as the heading implies, the main source of power.

And as the debate continues as to this system working, I notice there are now companies who will install lpg systems to supplement the vehicle's usual fuel (so, presumably metering the lpg into the air intake?).

 

[Shadeyman]

The technology can't be swept under the carpet for ever. It will happen.

 

[ChrisUK]

I notice there are now companies who will install lpg systems to supplement the vehicle's usual fuel (so, presumably metering the lpg into the air intake?).

Yes this is getting popular on the lorry scene. Can be used along side Diesel aparantly to achieve better MPG.

 

[Dominion]

The process of getting hydrogen from water requires more energy to be put in than is released when the molecules rejoin as they're burnt.

Whilst this is certainly true at present, scientist now claim they have discovered a microbial enzyme which acts as a catalyst (as enzymes do), lowering the activation energy needed to break the H-O bonds. Just cannot for the life of me remember where I read this, and it was only yesterday :bang:

Chances are, whilst the process may be made more efficient by using these enzymes, it still won't be efficient enough. However, it may lead to further experimenaion with DNA/protein synthesis, and the possibilty of manipulating proteins to produce massively more effective enzymes. Who knows? But yeah, for the foreseeable it seems we're stuck with what we already have.