Under Car Neons

[Trancendental]

Ok so these are not I.C.E but E.C.E (Exterior Car Entertainment) but there be no section for it

My query is I got an Undercar neon Kit (NOT L.E.D Kit). It came with 4 neons and a Transformer and ect. but NO instructions.

Its simple enough to fit so that you can turn em on and off but I wanted to hook the left and right neons up to the left and right indicators so that when I indicate left, the left neon comes on and so on, but the output voltage from an indicator is not enough to power a neon. I'm not even sure if the output voltage from the battery is enough to power a neon.

Does anyone know what voltage comes out a standard neon Transformer? I tried volt testing it but electrocuted myself numbing both my arms and the right side of my jaw (couldnt talk for a while an all me mate could do was laugh, fat face wnanker )

The box says 9500volt Transformer, but I got a feeling that might be wrong, any help would be appreciated.

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[The Negotiator]

LOL, you numbed your body but still don't think it's 9500v?!

 

[Stilo Alian]

I tried volt testing it but electrocuted myself numbing both my arms and the right side of my jaw (couldnt talk for a while an all me mate could do was laugh, fat face wnanker )

ROFL done that to myself sooo many times lol

Sorry i don't have a clue about neons so can't help

 

[Trancendental]

Can a transformer really transform a 12v Car battery into 9500v? I thought that mad number was just for gimmicks

 

[The Negotiator]

Course it can

If you have 1 coil in the primary and a million in the secondary, you could go from 1v to 1,000,000volts, the current is simply decreased by 1,000,000 times to keep the power (P = I X V = current x volts) though efficiency will affect the actual power out and 1:1,000,000 may not be practical, but it is an example.


You need high voltages to arc across the gases (high potential difference required) but not much current.

 

[darkcircuitUK]

It's the ampage that kills you so don't worry

 

[Luke]

Back to the original question though, all you need are some relays Use the power output from the indicators to close the relay switch - which would then close the circuit for the neons, and they'll turn on.

The neon transformers would have to be wired independanty of each other, and instead of having a normal on/off switch, replace it with the relay and hook up the indicator powers to the relay, then hey presto. As the light flashes, it closes the relay and the neon will flash too

 

[chaos]

Its simple enough to fit so that you can turn em on and off but I wanted to hook the left and right neons up to the left and right indicators so that when I indicate left, the left neon comes on and so on, but the output voltage from an indicator is not enough to power a neon. I'm not even sure if the output voltage from the battery is enough to power a neon.

I would warn you that you'd definately get stopped by the police and that there is no way that it'd pass the MOT.

 

[Trancendental]

Back to the original question though, all you need are some relays Use the power output from the indicators to close the relay switch - which would then close the circuit for the neons, and they'll turn on.

The neon transformers would have to be wired independanty of each other, and instead of having a normal on/off switch, replace it with the relay and hook up the indicator powers to the relay, then hey presto. As the light flashes, it closes the relay and the neon will flash too

I know I'm going to need 4 transformers which is a bummer, but do I need any extra relays?

If the Neon Cable is wired to the 'Indicator wire' then surely the current will pass through the indicator wire intermittantly. The neon should flash on and off in sync to the indicator without the need for extra relays as it is connected to the indicator wire. correct me if I'm wrong.

I would warn you that you'd definately get stopped by the police and that there is no way that it'd pass the MOT.

It would definately pass MOT down here regardless of friends in the business. I've been told that as long as they can be turned off by a switch for an MOT they will pass. This may mean having a switch which prevents them from going on when indicating but this should not be the case as it means the lights should have an independant switch only iff they are to be used "illegally" as in, they should not be connected to the side/dipped lights not fog lamps as they are not permitted to stay on while driving as they would become a warning beacon.

As far as the Lighting regs go, Amber Neons are legal to use as indicators.
The only tech problem I may have is the minimum height from the ground, everything else is prefectly ok.

Check below for reassurance if anyone wishes to borrow (t'ief) my idea



Statutory Instrument 1989 No. 1796
The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 - continued

SCHEDULE 7
(Regulations 18 and 20)

PART I
REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO OBLIGATORY DIRECTION INDICATORS AND TO OPTIONAL DIRECTION INDICATORS TO THE EXTENT SPECIFIED IN PART II

10. Electrical connections-

(a) All indicators on one side of a vehicle together with all indicators on that side of any trailer drawn by the vehicle, while so drawn, shall be operated by one switch.

(b) All indicators on one side of a vehicle or combination of vehicles showing a flashing light shall flash in phase, except that in the case of a solo motor bicycle, a motor bicycle combination and a pedal cycle, the front and rear direction indicators on one side of the vehicle may flash alternately.


PART II

REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO OPTIONAL DIRECTION INDICATORS
1. No vehicle shall be fitted with a total of more than one front indicator nor more than two rear indicators, on each side.

2. Any number of side indicators may be fitted to the side (excluding the front and rear) of a vehicle.

3. The only other requirements prescribed by these Regulations in respect of any which are fitted are those specified in paragraphs 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12(a) and 12(b) of Part I.



SCHEDULE 8
(Regulations 18 and 20)

requirements relating to obligatory and optional hazard warning signal devices

Every hazard warning signal device shall-

(a) be operated by one switch;

(b) cause all the direction indicators with which a vehicle or a combination of vehicles is equipped to flash in phase;

(c) be provided with a circuit-closed tell-tale in the form of a flashing light which may operate in conjunction with any direction indicator tell-tale; and

(d) be able to function even if the device which controls the starting and stopping of the engine is in a position which makes it impossible to start the engine.

 

[datprogrammer]

u need a transformer for each side. Do they come on instantly or is it like ur kitchen neons where they flicker? if so they'l be flashing like mad as they constantly beiin turned on and off every second

 

[Luke]

will probably easier and cheaper just to sell the neons and get an underbody LED kit to do the job - can run them straight off the indicator wiring loop then and will be instant lighting

 

[chaos]

will probably easier and cheaper just to sell the neons and get an underbody LED kit to do the job - can run them straight off the indicator wiring loop then and will be instant lighting

But it'd have to be amber LEDs wouldn't it? I've never seen an amber LED kit (or amber neons TBH) :chin:

 

[Luke]

But it'd have to be amber LEDs wouldn't it? I've never seen an amber LED kit (or amber neons TBH) :chin:

Could make your own, they do high intensity amber LED's in maplins

 

[chaos]

Could make your own, they do high intensity amber LED's in maplins

Do they? Just have to be handy with a soldering iron

 

[Trancendental]

Hehe, they are car Neon Kits, they turn straight on and Straight off.

TBH the Neons aren't Amber they are Yellow but its the closest match I could find I guess I could tint them to make them Amber.

L.E.Ds are as bright as Neons, they are great for interior lighting but I have never in my lide seen an L.E.D kit create the sexy ambient glow of a Super Bright Neon. and to make the glow brighter I'll be adding mirror strips to the underside of the car.

cannot use a mirror wite L.E.Ds as they only shine in the direction they are pointing anyway.