General TwinAir Thread (including MPG)

[Mark Elvin]

I find this all rather odd.

Unless I am mistakes, the twin ait basically the same design as the 4pot used in the Alfas with the TB engine, these are very economical for their specific output are they not?

 

[Fang]

The whole point of the Twinair is that is should give decent performance with great economy. There is no other reason for its existence.

In Italy the anecdotal reports that I have seen suggest that buyers are resisting it because it is not as economical as was promised, it is noisy, and it is expensive.

I say this both from what I have read in the press and from speaking to Italian family and friends.

I would like to know, really, just how economical this engine is, and as more hit the roads and the bitterness of winter falls away perhaps we will finally get a representative number of figures to work from.

I am not interested in listening to anyone who drives economically, if that means they are the people who look frightened behind the wheel and crawl about all the time and hold me up (not you grimwau). This is not realistic driving and if people don't accelerate to get by slow movers and drive quickly on fast roads I don't want to hear about their fuel consumption because it is meaningless to me.

There: feel better now.

That is very interesting. Can you give any more details about criticisms in the Italian press? Have Fiat responded?

 

[RobW]

I find this all rather odd.

Unless I am mistakes, the twin ait basically the same design as the 4pot used in the Alfas with the TB engine, these are very economical for their specific output are they not?

indeed they are, however put an undersized engine in a car and you will need to drive it harder to make progress, perhaps this is the case here

or perhaps the engine calibration (mapping) is rubbish and just setup to deliver the low co2 figure...

 

[Mark Elvin]

Whilst on the phone to the dealer today I asked about the Twin Air fuel economy. He said it was "appauling" and that Fiat could be having some problems in the very near futures from Twin Air owners.

 

[RobW]

http://wave.wavemetrix.com/content/...italians-about-fiat-500-twinair-version-00641

 

[jrkitching]

I'm wondering what would happen if, maybe 6 months from now, one of the consumer groups takes a representative sample of run-in twinairs off the street, sends them off to a recognized facility for emissions & mpg testing & none of them come anywhere close to the figures currently being marketed by FIAT?

 

[Venters]

Cleaned up a tad.
If you just want to complain about Fiat in general there's an entire section for it.
https://www.fiatforum.com/lets-talk-fiat/

As for Chrysler well then there's nonfiat section in the Leisure lounge.

 

[Venters]

And again. Spamming someone's thread with posts completely unrelated to the subject, when there is a complete section dedicated to the subject the off topic post are being made about.

I'm sorry but this is a very large thread already if people want to fill it with unrelated posts then tough.

If people can't use the forum correctly that is their problem, not mine.

 

[306maxi]

So spamming someone's thread with posts completely unrelated to the subject, when there is a complete section dedicated to the subject the off topic post are being made about.

I'm sorry but this is a very large thread already if people want to fill it with unrelated posts then tough.

I agree. This was Grimwau's thread and people (myself most probably included) have turned it into exactly what the other threads were too......

 

[RobW]

So spamming someone's thread with posts completely unrelated to the subject, when there is a complete section dedicated to the subject the off topic post are being made about.

I'm sorry but this is a very large thread already if people want to fill it with unrelated posts then tough.

if the truth is that the twin air is not delivering the claimed economy figures then this thread will get a lot bigger over the next few months

 

[Venters]

if the truth is that the twin air is not delivering the claimed economy figures then this thread will get a lot bigger over the next few months

Exactly! Which is why padding it out with unrelated rubbish is helpful to nobody.

 

[306maxi]

The whole point of the Twinair is that is should give decent performance with great economy. There is no other reason for its existence.

In Italy the anecdotal reports that I have seen suggest that buyers are resisting it because it is not as economical as was promised, it is noisy, and it is expensive.

I say this both from what I have read in the press and from speaking to Italian family and friends.

I would like to know, really, just how economical this engine is, and as more hit the roads and the bitterness of winter falls away perhaps we will finally get a representative number of figures to work from.

I am not interested in listening to anyone who drives economically, if that means they are the people who look frightened behind the wheel and crawl about all the time and hold me up (not you grimwau). This is not realistic driving and if people don't accelerate to get by slow movers and drive quickly on fast roads I don't want to hear about their fuel consumption because it is meaningless to me.

There: feel better now.

Like I've always said, lets wait and see how these engines go. It's still cool at the moment, Grimwau's engine isn't yet run in and he's also gone for the 16" wheel option which means 195 section tyres and not the 175's which you'd be wanting if you wanted to go for maximum mpg.

I've had 53.6 mpg out of my car (real consumption, not indicated) on winter tyres in cool (not incredibly cold weather) as opposed to 47's on summer tyres in warm weather and then I've had 41's on summer tyres in cold weather so the combined effect of cold weather, wide tyres and an engine which hasn't yet been run in could be rather big.

I can't understand why people are so keen to write the twinair off as a failure when we've got one member who's had one for a few weeks.

 

[grimwau]

I totally agree.

As has already been stated above, this thread has the potential to grow exponentially as more and more owners come on board and post their findings.

If we do it right this could prove immensely useful to any would be purchasers. If we try to remain objective and unbiased then it could even be used as "de facto" evidence if ever the time came when Fiats advertising claims might be questioned.

As Maxi says, there is only one TwinAir owner on the forum at present, whose random meanderings some naive people might take as gospel and that is the last thing that we want.

Thanks Venters for keeping it as "on topic" as is possible, not an easy job at the best of times, lol.

 

[Mikey1985]

I would like to know, really, just how economical this engine is, and as more hit the roads and the bitterness of winter falls away perhaps we will finally get a representative number of figures to work from.

I am not interested in listening to anyone who drives economically, if that means they are the people who look frightened behind the wheel and crawl about all the time and hold me up (not you grimwau). This is not realistic driving and if people don't accelerate to get by slow movers and drive quickly on fast roads I don't want to hear about their fuel consumption because it is meaningless to me.

There: feel better now.

If you want to drive fast and overtake 'slow' drivers then you are never going to get good mpg no matter what car you go for. People seem to think that the quoted mpg figures should be achievable however they drive a car and it's rediculous. I can get my car down to 17.8mpg or 61mpg depending on my driving habbits and the conditions at the time.

The fact is you have to be a very good driver to achieve consistently good mpg figures and the way people drive nowadays, bumper to bumper, constantly in a rush it's no wonder manufacturers claims take a beating. Another very important point is with a turbo engine, if your getting max boost all the time then it's a well known fact mpg drops like a rock. A turbo can be either very frugal or drink like there's no tommorow. I disagree that you have to put your foot down in it to get anywhere, simply being in a higher gear can have a big impact on boost pressure. I think we just need some education on how to drive the thing.

 

[Melanabb]

I don't know why anyone is complaining: I got average 28.7mpg on my GPA (just over 4000m) AND I mostly keep the sport button off!... Firstly I blame Fiat, then the urban driving conditions, then the stop-starts I have to make in order to get the car to do what I need it to do, then anyone sitting in it for making it heavier (mother, are you listening!!!), then the silly fuel prices, then 'I woke up with a grump' feeling.... you get the gist but I never ever ever blame my heavy right foot!!!:idea: Maybe if I walked everywhere...

 

[cjc156]

I totally agree.

As Maxi says, there is only one TwinAir owner on the forum at present, whose random meanderings some naive people might take as gospel and that is the last thing that we want.

Thanks Venters for keeping it as "on topic" as is possible, not an easy job at the best of times, lol.

I am trying to join you, honestly I am. Meant to be today, but maybe tomorrow. Think I'll get out of this thread and start my own one. I'm going to call it......"Has Anyone Seen My TwinAir".

 

[RobinPJ]

I am trying to join you, honestly I am. Meant to be today, but maybe tomorrow. Think I'll get out of this thread and start my own one. I'm going to call it......"Has Anyone Seen My TwinAir".

Maybe they are fitting a huge new petrol tank for you?

 

[cjc156]

I am trying to join you, honestly I am. Meant to be today, but maybe tomorrow. Think I'll get out of this thread and start my own one. I'm going to call it......"Has Anyone Seen My TwinAir".

Maybe maybe, mind you if they were doing that, you'd think they would know where it was...

 

[udtrev]

A turbo can be either very frugal

Yep http://www.fuelly.com/driver/udtrev/bravo

Trev

 

[306maxi]

I totally agree.

As has already been stated above, this thread has the potential to grow exponentially as more and more owners come on board and post their findings.

If we do it right this could prove immensely useful to any would be purchasers. If we try to remain objective and unbiased then it could even be used as "de facto" evidence if ever the time came when Fiats advertising claims might be questioned.

As Maxi says, there is only one TwinAir owner on the forum at present, whose random meanderings some naive people might take as gospel and that is the last thing that we want.

Thanks Venters for keeping it as "on topic" as is possible, not an easy job at the best of times, lol.

We also don't know exactly how you were driving, how a 1.2 would have fared being driven at the same speed and so on etc etc etc