Tottenham Riots

[GrandeGuy]

Two son's killed and one badly hurt trying to defend their dads shop from looters.
Im am totally sick of bloody Cameron and his "It'll blow over" attitude,
know what, if this was nipped in the bud 1st night none of this will spread.
And guess what they new say the back lash of all the expenses is going to down grade the whole country's credit rating, the millions it's gonna cost to sort the aftermath is gonna destroy us.

 

[bludvl_x19]

From an outsiders view, why haven't they sent the military in yet? A couple of thousand soldiers with the power to incapacitate would sure as hell fix this. Over the top maybe, but I bet you wouldn't have a riot the next night.

 

[Stu DemonD]

From an outsiders view, why haven't they sent the military in yet? A couple of thousand soldiers with the power to incapacitate would sure as hell fix this. Over the top maybe, but I bet you wouldn't have a riot the next night.

The BBC explain that here, alongside other measures they could use:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14459127

Following serious looting and arson in the borough, Croydon council leader Mike Fisher called for the Army to be brought in.

"We need additional resources and that can be police if possible but if not then we should be looking at deployment of the Army and other military," he argued.

Dr Shirlow says that British army personnel would have experience of dealing with riot situations from their tours of places like Northern Ireland and Iraq. "In other countries they'd be deployed in the blink of an eye," he adds.

But, again, he cautions that "symbolically in Britain people have never been comfortable with the idea of militarised force on the streets" and no UK prime minister would want to be remembered as the one who broke this decades-long tradition.

And he warns that, operationally, there could be a culture clash between police officers used to dealing with civil unrest and armed forces trained for military combat.

Additionally, Prof Waddington says there would be further logistical headaches: "What are you going to equip them with? If not carrying firearms, what would they have?"

 

[306maxi]

i'm dissmayed at certain sentiments put forward through out this thread. Especially those with distinct racist under-tones, which may have escaped some peoples 'radar'.

All of a sudden certian individuals have become 'english' instead of 'british' in an attempt to distance themselves from whom they believe to be the culprits out there of a certain ethinic minority(s) looting and rioting. It's this way of thinking that creates this type of tension on the streets in certain areas in the first place. Forgetting that it was their ancestors who rape and pillaged around the world and decimated land, religion and culture. And while im not saying this whole thing is racial, (which i believe it not to be for the most part) there is a part in this whole thing for it.

Completely agree. That's why I posted what I posted a few pages back.

 

[Shadeyman]

I'm not sure about anyone else but I always say I'm an English and I'm from England, I'm not British and neither is anyone else. There is no multicultural society here, never has been.
Take a close look at the people actually committing offences during these riots, then take a close look at the people that are doing the cleaning up. I'm dissmayed at how people are labeled racists just for stating the obvious. :shrug:

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[306maxi]

I'm not sure about anyone else but I always say I'm an English and I'm from England, I'm not British and neither is anyone else. There is no multicultural society here, never has been.
Take a close look at the people actually committing offences during these riots, then take a close look at the people that are doing the cleaning up. I'm dissmayed at how people are labeled racists just for stating the obvious. :shrug:

There are PLENTY of white people participating too. The VAST majority of immigrants contribute to society and do no harm. This is a minority, just as it's a minority of white youths participating also....

 

[Shadeyman]

There are PLENTY of white people participating too. The VAST majority of immigrants contribute to society and do no harm. This is a minority, just as it's a minority of white youths participating also....

Of course there are those that choose "not to see" even though its right in front of them.

 

[306maxi]

Of course there are those that choose "not to see" even though its right in front of them.

and there are those who choose to see things which aren't there.

I'll agree, I think there is probably a disproportionate amount of black people involved, but remember that black people are less likely to find employment and be disadvantaged in other ways. Personally I think these people are all scum regardless of skin colour.

 

[Stu DemonD]

I always say I am Brit, especially when abroad and carrying a British passport.

My accent usually is the giveaway that I am English - I don't tend to state it.

 

[Shadeyman]

and there are those who choose to see things which aren't there.

I'll agree, I think there is probably a disproportionate amount of black people involved, but remember that black people are less likely to find employment and be disadvantaged in other ways. Personally I think these people are all scum regardless of skin colour.

Black and Asian are a minority in this country so why are 99% of the criminals caught on camera commiting offences black or asian looking? Being disavantaged DOES NOT give them the right to burn and steal!

I always say I am Brit, especially when abroad and carrying a British passport.

My accent usually is the giveaway that I am English - I don't tend to state it.

When you fill in forms do you tick British?

I always tick other and write English. I don't see why the Scotish can tick Scotish but I have to tick British because there is no box for English to tick.

 

[Stu DemonD]

When you fill in forms do you tick British?

If there is a box asking for Nationality, then yes, I tend to write in 'British'.

 

[Eklipze3k]

I never see Scottish on any forms, pics or it didn't happen

 

[Stu DemonD]

Have you ever seen an English Consulate when abroad, or a Welsh / Scottish one for example? No, only 'British' Consulates...

I don't see a problem here

 

[Eklipze3k]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pm-chair-another-cobra-crisis-meeting-054620201.html

The crown prince of stating the bleeding obvious ...

 

[Shadeyman]

Have you ever seen an English Consulate when abroad, or a Welsh / Scottish one for example? No, only 'British' Consulates...

I don't see a problem here

I guess you don't fill in many forms while here in England.

 

[Focus Owner]

3Mins 30. im sure i could pass as australian.

 

[RuSZ]

What I dont get is;

When an englishman calls himself english he is racist and abandoning his history

When a Scotsman calls himself scottish he is patriotic and proud to be Scottish.

What's the differnce??

I'm english and proud of it. But my scottish family are proud to be scottish.

The British Empire is dead.. has been for a while. (But yhats my opinion dont abuse me for it)

The scottish want indenpendance, and good for them...

But i respect the queen and the monarchy.

But all of this is off topic

 

[Focus Owner]

Still i say bring in the army.
If they have any sence they will go home.

But, again, he cautions that "symbolically in Britain people have never been comfortable with the idea of militarised force on the streets" and no UK prime minister would want to be remembered as the one who broke this decades-long tradition.

but the police can't give em a good smack like these ones deserve , due to all the cameras.
it didnt hurt china's image much. I still say Bring in the big guns
Better to just stop it, that allow it to continue.
I don't think it makes them look like it has lost power. just means they are willing to put a tough stance. the armys their to kill people and the rioters are their to be shot.

thena gain if it does come to leeds we could make tons on window guards.

 

[Stu DemonD]

I guess you don't fill in many forms while here in England.

You guessed wrong; I am always filling in forms, it is part of my job...

 

[Shadeyman]

Just wait till the Police and the BBC put up photo's of wanted rioters and you'll see how extremely politically correct this country is. I bet there's 3 black/asian geezers and 3 white geezers so they don't appear racist even though majority were black/asian.