General The beast lives

[ycming]

Forogt the picture!!











This pics got to be worthy of a computer background . The sky, the background all looks kinda computer generated ~~

 

[craigb244]

Looks like you had fun!
I should of been doing my first event of the year tomorrow. sadly a failure of my new gearboxes input seal have put a end to it

 

[allanhelen]

So how did the new changes work out especially the LSD? was it worth it?


And bloody hell Ming you've put on weight since I saw you last (or was it a bad camera angle?)

 

[ycming]

So how did the new changes work out especially the LSD? was it worth it?


And bloody hell Ming you've put on weight since I saw you last (or was it a bad camera angle?)

lol a bit of both , right time for the fat fighter thread .


Ming

 

[rallycinq]

So how did the new changes work out especially the LSD? was it worth it?

'Worth it' is a very subjective question.

The diff makes one hell of a diff(erence). It only works under power so getting on the power early really helps, it will still understeer on entry if I'm off the power. Its like the old, 'slow in, fast out' method.

Everyone commented that the car was pulling round at the front.

Early in the event the tarmac was a bit damp, I was smoking both front tyres.

I was only beaten by a Mini special and a Midget with an LSD, I managed to outrun all the other minis.

The good news is that with a couple of non sporting issues to deal with, I forgot to change the damping, so there is possibly more to come.

Cheers

SPD

 

[rallycinq]

More good news.

Checking the car over this morning, not a drop of oil or water used, despite the car running for most of yesterday afternoon.

Cheers

SPD

 

[steaderz]

Two questions:

How did Ming do? and what rubber are you running david?

 

[rallycinq]

Two questions:

How did Ming do? and what rubber are you running david?

I haven't seen the final results, the class winners were announced, but he got it round without breaking it and seemed to enjoy himself.

I gave him a wee shock by taking him for a passenger run over the last test layout, flat chat!

I am using a set of old 165/55 x13 P700s.

Cheers

SPD

 

[ycming]

Two questions:

How did Ming do? and what rubber are you running david?

Ermm let's ignore that bit it was fun

Ming

 

[rallycinq]

Rebuilt the gear linkage today, and refited the ecu bracket that came loose.

Gave in and ordered proper competition TREs. £60 a pair, ulp.

Cheers

SPD

 

[Brooky]

Gave in and ordered proper competition TREs. £60 a pair, ulp.

Cheers

SPD

Who whats??

 

[rallycinq]

Who whats??

Track Rod Ends. I tried to strengthen the standard ones but these modern things have got plastic bushes which don't like the heat generated from the welder.

Cheers

SPD

 

[lewey]

Sounds like the LSD was a good idea for autotesting. In greasy conditions, do you think you have more/same/less traction when cornering tight? I think sometimes that the understeering is bad, but it might be because I expect to be able to accelerate through/out of corners when previously a stab on the throttle would have done nothing at all, other than spin the inside wheel. Have you done much high speed long cornering - large roundabout sort of thing. I find the torque steer makes the car unpredictable due to moving the front of the car around a lot. It knocks the confidence a little.

 

[rallycinq]

Sounds like the LSD was a good idea for autotesting. In greasy conditions, do you think you have more/same/less traction when cornering tight? I think sometimes that the understeering is bad, but it might be because I expect to be able to accelerate through/out of corners when previously a stab on the throttle would have done nothing at all, other than spin the inside wheel. Have you done much high speed long cornering - large roundabout sort of thing. I find the torque steer makes the car unpredictable due to moving the front of the car around a lot. It knocks the confidence a little.

I did some high speed twisty stuff between the test site and the shed. I like being able to adjust the attitude of the car with the throttle. I still have more power than traction, but the fornt end feels more planted.

Remember my car has a cage stiffening the shell and no anti roll bar, so it does want to oversteer at high speed. It doesn't get wildly out of shape, just gives a wiggle, particularly under braking.

Again, that depends on where I have the bias set and thats before we start discussing suspension setting, tyre quality and pressures.

There are so many variables and I intend to get a test session booked at a local track so that I can establish what each change does.

Cheers

SPD

 

[lewey]

I did some high speed twisty stuff between the test site and the shed. I like being able to adjust the attitude of the car with the throttle. I still have more power than traction, but the fornt end feels more planted.

Remember my car has a cage stiffening the shell and no anti roll bar, so it does want to oversteer at high speed. It doesn't get wildly out of shape, just gives a wiggle, particularly under braking.

Again, that depends on where I have the bias set and thats before we start discussing suspension setting, tyre quality and pressures.

There are so many variables and I intend to get a test session booked at a local track so that I can establish what each change does.

Cheers

SPD

I think you're right that the ability to move the front of the car is a good thing per se. Problem is that once you commit to a corner slightly over-zealously and begin to understeer on the power, you can't lift because you will get understeer that will have you crashing quickly. It means you have to really commit to corners and get it very nearly right first time!

With a rear wheel drive car, you can nearly always invoke oversteer and coming off the power in any small FWD car I've owned has resulted in it tucking in nicely. There are lots of other factors as you point out and your car is a lot more modified than mine so you can adjust more to suit. The Panda ain't no racing car! Track time is the answer.

 

[rallycinq]

I think you're right that the ability to move the front of the car is a good thing per se. Problem is that once you commit to a corner slightly over-zealously and begin to understeer on the power, you can't lift because you will get understeer that will have you crashing quickly. It means you have to really commit to corners and get it very nearly right first time!

You don't have to lift, you 'moderate'. The throttle is not a switch.

Cheers

SPD

 

[rallycinq]

Shiny new TREs arrived today.

Very pretty.

Cheers

SPD

 

[lewey]

You don't have to lift, you 'moderate'. The throttle is not a switch.

Cheers

SPD

I'm not going to disagree with that, but the grip is directly proportional to the power since fitting the LSD, so with a not very powerful car like mine, full throttle is fairly normal out or through fast corners. Any amount of throttle lift causes the under-steer, hence the problem. Once in the spot, you have few options I find. Other than driving more slowly next time!

Anyway, be interested to see what your impressions of higher speed driving are and whether you can compensate for this with your suspension, etc.

 

[ycming]

I'm not going to disagree with that, but the grip is directly proportional to the power since fitting the LSD, so with a not very powerful car like mine, full throttle is fairly normal out or through fast corners. Any amount of throttle lift causes the under-steer, hence the problem. Once in the spot, you have few options I find. Other than driving more slowly next time!

Anyway, be interested to see what your impressions of higher speed driving are and whether you can compensate for this with your suspension, etc.

hmm you car can;t be slow can it ? 1.4 16v in a panda ...

Ming

 

[lewey]

hmm you car can;t be slow can it ? 1.4 16v in a panda ...

Ming

Didn't say it was slow, but on a track only the very fastest cars seem powerful.

I think it's only fair that I don't go on talking about my car in this thread. I only really wanted to get rallycinq's experience of the same LSD that I have in his own car thread.