Technical Spare key

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Hi,
I found a local auto locksmith who tried to replicate my transponder key but when he held his digital reader against my key, it gave him a "locked" read-out. So, he could not get the code off the transponder to replicate it.
Does anyone have any ideas how I can get the code from this "locked" key?

Thanks
Peter
 
Hi, its a 2001 Schumacher. Its a blue key. Shaft has a 2 above a triangle pointing into two circles.
Thanks. Pete
 
Code 2 keys are difficult to replicate as far as I know...
Does the key work on the ignition?
 
Hi, yes, the existing key works in the ignition. I guess I'll see if somebody else can read the key.
Thanks
Peter
 
I've just been through this with a 2001 Sporting that I bought with 1 key. The key has the Code symbol (pyramid with radio circles round it and a numeric 2)

Timpsons can copy these, but only at certain branches. You need to ask if they have an RW4-Plus machine - these are apparently sort-of 1 per area, about 20 of them in the country (at Timpsons, obviously other people may have equivalent machines, I don't know).

The special machine requires them to sit in the car and cycle the ignition (using the original key) half a dozen times while monitoring the transaction between the car and the key with a special probe thingy - so the car has to be there, don't just take the key. Once the probe's seen enough, they return to the key-cutting booth to program the new chip and cut the blank.

What's going on here is akin to WW2 Bletchley Park deciphering Enigma messages to the U-Boats, using examples of communication of known information and intricate crypotological mathematics. But in Tesco's carpark. By a bloke called Dave.

The new key is a clone of the key you already have, so no need to learn a new key into the car. The replacement cost me £80, and that's all I needed to pay because there was no car programming by Fiat :).

Ironically the most difficult part of the process was to successfully cut the metal blank so it would actually turn the lock - the blank that finally worked after 5 attempts was the one that doesn't look like the original Fiat key, has a more rectangular head, but even that style of blank took a few goes to get right. Previous attempts would turn the door lock but not the ignition lock, so don't leave until you've actually had it work in both.

Hope that helps,

Rob
 

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Hi Rob,
This is really helpful- thanks for the information. £80 is a good price compared to what I've been quoted by Timsons to do it. Last time I checked, they wanted close to £200.....
Which branch did you go to?
Regards
Peter
 
Hi Peter,

I'm in Plymouth, and it was the Transit Way Tesco branch. The guy there said he thought there was another machine in Truro, one in Exeter, and so on, gives and idea of the density. I guess you could try the nearest and see if it rings any bells with them, or maybe ask their head office.

There was talk of the £200+ deal, that was (I think) if they had to get the pre-coded key from Fiat or similar nonsense. Given the challenge of cutting the key successfully, that sounds like a ploy unlikely to succeed. At least here they could just keep swapping the little transponder chip from one blank to the next . .

One thing to note before getting too excited - sometimes "cracks" like this can have only partial coverage, depending on how well the engineers behind the machine have managed to reverse-engineer the encryption used in the particular system. Just because my type 2 system key was copyable may not necessarily mean yours will be - or it might work fine for all examples of this type of key. I think they can tell immediately if your key is copyable, so the best plan is to find the appropriate branch and give it a try. But it could be that another instance of same key type, same car type and same decryption machine may not work out for your specific example, where as it did for mine, because the crack does not have full coverage. Good luck!

What I did find, though, was that both the Timpsons people I dealt with, in two different branches, (long story) were really helpful and went out of their way to make sure I finally ended up with a working key.

Regards

Rob
 
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Thanks Rob, my local Timson says he can do it for either £70 or £95 depending on the key.
Cheers for the heads up.
 
I had a code 2 key duplicated today at Timpson's - they have a booth outside my local Tesco's. It cost £69 which I thought wasn't too bad and so far it has worked perfectly. The guy at Timpson's told me that half the code is obtained from the key and half from the car - he hung a little red device from the key and inserted it in the ignition to get the code. Hope this helps.
 
Thanks. £69 is not a bad price indeed. My Timson place at Tesco had quoted me £120! Maybe they've dropped their prices....
Regards
PC
 
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