site slow?

ben · Jun 28, 2025

GettinBetter said:
Yes, I'm sure .

..and yes, every time, every load, every submittal.
When I'm in the mood, I'll change th MTU settings, and see if it makes a difference, failing that I'll get BT to change it their end. Just need to get my ass into gear to do it.

Appreciate your support.

How about that hamster site? Is that the same?

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

ben said:
How about that hamster site? Is that the same?

Nope, managed to flip through lots of their pages with no trouble at all.

ben · Jun 28, 2025

GettinBetter said:
Nope, managed to flip through lots of their pages with no trouble at all.

Curses.

They use exactly the same proxy system as us, so I would have expected the same issue.

Oh I know! How about Eper - does that also run just as slow?

Oh and try https://endrop.com - also on the same server, but doesn't go through CloudFlare.

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

ben said:
...Oh I know! How about Eper - does that also run just as slow?

Oh and try https://endrop.com - also on the same server, but doesn't go through CloudFlare.

Eper, just as slow.

endrop, is fine, pages loading snappily.

ben · Jun 28, 2025

GettinBetter said:
Eper, just as slow.

endrop, is fine, pages loading snappily.

At least that tells us the problem is definitely with CloudFlare.

Just not sure where we go from here....

Oh, I wonder if it's a problem with IPv6.

If you ping www.fiatforum.com when using the VPN, does it give you an IPv4 address? (and IPv6 without the VPN?)

And if so, does temporarily disabling IPv6 in linux solve the issue?

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

Yes, it does.

With VPN = IPv4

Command Prompt opened in admin

C:\Windows\system32>ping www.fiatforum.com

Pinging www.fiatforum.com [104.21.64.1] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.21.64.1: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.21.64.1: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.21.64.1: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.21.64.1: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 104.21.64.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 11ms, Maximum = 12ms, Average = 11ms

Without VPN = IPv6
Command Prompt opened in admin

Pinging www.fiatforum.com [2606:4700:3030::6815:5001] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001: time=9ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001: time=10ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001: time=9ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001: time=9ms

Ping statistics for 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 9ms, Maximum = 10ms, Average = 9ms

ben said:
And if so, does temporarily disabling IPv6 in linux solve the issue?

Not sure about that one, I'm using Win10.

ben · Jun 28, 2025

GettinBetter said:
Yes, it does.

With VPN = IPv4

Command Prompt opened in admin

C:\Windows\system32>ping www.fiatforum.com

Pinging www.fiatforum.com [104.21.64.1] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.21.64.1: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.21.64.1: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.21.64.1: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.21.64.1: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 104.21.64.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 11ms, Maximum = 12ms, Average = 11ms

Without VPN = IPv6
Command Prompt opened in admin

Pinging www.fiatforum.com [2606:4700:3030::6815:5001] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001: time=9ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001: time=10ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001: time=9ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001: time=9ms

Ping statistics for 2606:4700:3030::6815:5001:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 9ms, Maximum = 10ms, Average = 9ms

Not sure about that one, I'm using Win10.

Ok, so let's see if disabling IPv6 solves it

How to disable IPv6 on Windows

In this article, you will find step-by-step instructions on how to disable IPv6 on Windows. Windows 7, 8.1, 10 1. Right-click the network icon in the notification tray and select Open Network &am...

support.nordvpn.com

If it does, then we have more clues!

AHAH!

https://community.cloudflare.com/t/website-performance-is-slow-using-bt-internet-but-vpn-fine/617379

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

ben said:
Ok, so let's see if disabling IPv6 solves it

How to disable IPv6 on Windows

In this article, you will find step-by-step instructions on how to disable IPv6 on Windows. Windows 7, 8.1, 10 1. Right-click the network icon in the notification tray and select Open Network &am...

support.nordvpn.com

If it does, then we have more clues!

AHAH!

https://community.cloudflare.com/t/website-performance-is-slow-using-bt-internet-but-vpn-fine/617379

Seems it does. With IPv6 disabled it works fine....

Whats the solution, can it be site specific, I'll look into it as well.

ben · Jun 28, 2025

There's a long thread about it here:

https://community.cloudflare.com/t/uk-connectivity-problems-over-ipv6-on-bt-and-ee-networks/797407/

No solution so far (apart from disabling ipv6) bit it seems they do have tickets open with CloudFlare so I guess they're looking into it....

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

Yeah, I knew as soon as EE get involved it all go tits up. I've dealt with EE before, thats why I won't sign up to a new BT contract, might be time to move on.

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

Code:

C:\Windows\system32>tracert /d /4 www.fiatforums.com
Tracing route to fiatforums.com [34.120.237.47]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.254
  2     8 ms     6 ms     5 ms  172.16.14.190
  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  4     9 ms     9 ms     8 ms  62.172.102.236
  5    10 ms     9 ms    35 ms  194.74.16.175
  6    10 ms     9 ms    10 ms  109.159.253.219
  7    10 ms    11 ms    10 ms  216.239.62.75
  8    11 ms    11 ms    10 ms  142.251.52.145
  9    10 ms     9 ms    10 ms  34.120.237.47

Trace complete.

C:\Windows\system32>tracert /d /6 www.fiatforums.com
Unable to resolve target system name www.fiatforums.com.

First trace is using IPv4, second is IPv6

ben · Jun 28, 2025

You've put a 's" on the end of fiatforum

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

ben said:
You've put a 's" on the end of fiatforum

Interesting, but IPv4 found it....gotta do it again now....

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

Code:

C:\Windows\system32>tracert /d /4 www.fiatforum.com

Tracing route to www.fiatforum.com [104.21.96.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.254
  2     6 ms     6 ms     5 ms  172.16.14.190
  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  4    10 ms     9 ms     9 ms  62.172.102.232
  5    10 ms     9 ms     9 ms  195.99.127.50
  6     9 ms     8 ms     8 ms  194.72.16.175
  7     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  166.49.209.128
  8     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  166.49.250.59
  9    12 ms    11 ms    10 ms  195.66.225.179
 10    11 ms    11 ms    10 ms  141.101.71.117
 11    10 ms     9 ms    10 ms  104.21.96.1

Trace complete.

C:\Windows\system32>tracert /d /6 www.fiatforum.com

Tracing route to www.fiatforum.com [2606:4700:3030::6815:5001]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1  General failure.

Trace complete.

C:\Windows\system32>

Well, at least it found it this time.
I wonder what a 'general failure' is?

ben · Jun 28, 2025

GettinBetter said:

Code:

C:\Windows\system32>tracert /d /4 www.fiatforum.com

Tracing route to www.fiatforum.com [104.21.96.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.254
  2     6 ms     6 ms     5 ms  172.16.14.190
  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  4    10 ms     9 ms     9 ms  62.172.102.232
  5    10 ms     9 ms     9 ms  195.99.127.50
  6     9 ms     8 ms     8 ms  194.72.16.175
  7     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  166.49.209.128
  8     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  166.49.250.59
  9    12 ms    11 ms    10 ms  195.66.225.179
 10    11 ms    11 ms    10 ms  141.101.71.117
 11    10 ms     9 ms    10 ms  104.21.96.1

Trace complete.

C:\Windows\system32>tracert /d /6 www.fiatforum.com

Tracing route to www.fiatforum.com [2606:4700:3030::6815:5001]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1  General failure.

Trace complete.

C:\Windows\system32>

Well, at least it found it this time.
I wonder what a 'general failure' is?

You've remembered to enable IPv6 in Windows already?

If it's already on, then I guess that explains why you can't access us / very slowly (if it keeps retrying until no failure)

GettinBetter · Jun 28, 2025

ben said:
You've remembered to enable IPv6 in Windows already?

If it's already on, then I guess that explains why you can't access us / very slowly (if it keeps retrying until no failure)

No, I disabled it. It's pages etc, load fine now. Looks like someones trying to fix it. I've had my fill of it for now.

bugsymike · Jun 28, 2025

Though not as good as it has been in the past, site is more stable than it was a few days ago and I have altered nothing.
Just saying this as a report.

ZaphodB · 2025-07-04T07:18:37+0100

What happened yesterday ??

Fiatforum disappeared off the face of the planet for me at least (uk) for literally hours.

Whilst I was elesewhere on the internet I left a tab trying to open the site and that tab just stuck whirring away, same on my phone so it wasn't my browser

It was out for hours , can't remember when precisely, but at least 6pm (could have been a few hours before that too) onwards up to 11pm at least (bedtime)

I was expecting to come back today and find a big hole in general posting (when a site goes down), but there isn't

ben · 2025-07-04T09:12:19+0100

I went to bed around 3am - which is 8pm UK time and it was fine then.

No monitoring tripped either...

ZaphodB · 2025-07-04T09:14:04+0100

Weird thing is it never even came up with an error eventually, just stuck there , tried starting my browser again, all other sites worked a treat , just not fiatforum, and then it's back this morning as if nothing ever happened

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