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i'll bring spare dash surround lol
Looking good
i'll bring spare dash surround lolLooking good
Technical Seicento 1.4 16v Project
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Technical Seicento 1.4 16v Project
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Oh the flocked dash, yes it has been done lol
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Might as well use the stuff!
Please take the badge off the dash!
Liam
Please take the badge off the dash!
Liam
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Only update for today is my new badge has been put on
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284mm fronts you mean?
I can't wait for someone to think "oh look at that fiat with its huge wheels.. what does it think it.... wheres it gone?"
I can't wait for someone to think "oh look at that fiat with its huge wheels.. what does it think it.... wheres it gone?"
Very tidy coming along nicely bit different to when I saw it last :devil: (Not that i'd expect much else when your pit crew is invloved lol )
Wheels look great btw
lol )Wheels look great btw
Not much to add from weekend. The 16V cam cover has been modified so its 12mm thinner now so should be able to be removed with engine in place as it was way to thick before to take into account massive engine mount the Stilo had bolted to that end of the engine. The MPi 8V Sei cam cover did not fit correctly, plus 16V cover is bit neater with better cable runs for oil pressure/temp and timing sensors wires which run up and over it.
Some work has been done on the spacer plate for the throttle body that’s been fitted, and some provisional modified engine mounts.
And again some more work had been done on the wiring to fit the Emerald ECU.
Not much to add, but its all adding up.
Aaron.
Some work has been done on the spacer plate for the throttle body that’s been fitted, and some provisional modified engine mounts.
And again some more work had been done on the wiring to fit the Emerald ECU.
Not much to add, but its all adding up.
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WOW, this is looking great! I must say you are both very lucky to have the 1368, I'd love to do that but they seem pretty tough to find so I'm looking at 1.2 16v. Your making me jealous
What SS manifold is that? Does it fit all the FIRE range, 1.1, 1.2,1.4? If so I'll possibly look at getting one now, ready for a new engine, else I'll hold off. I'd like to get stuff that I can use on any other engine.
Any plans for the old MPI block? Selling it on, sure there would be a few SPI'ers who's enjoy it
What does the Emerald ECU do? Just ignition control, using the Sei ECU for everything else? If so is that for more tunability, or would your ECU not work at all with it? If the ECU does ignition, then, can you not retain the single spark, or is there no advantage at all.
Sorry for all the questions Looks very intriguing
Kristian
What SS manifold is that? Does it fit all the FIRE range, 1.1, 1.2,1.4? If so I'll possibly look at getting one now, ready for a new engine, else I'll hold off. I'd like to get stuff that I can use on any other engine.
Any plans for the old MPI block? Selling it on, sure there would be a few SPI'ers who's enjoy it
What does the Emerald ECU do? Just ignition control, using the Sei ECU for everything else? If so is that for more tunability, or would your ECU not work at all with it? If the ECU does ignition, then, can you not retain the single spark, or is there no advantage at all.
Sorry for all the questions
Looks very intriguing Kristian
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WOW, this is looking great! I must say you are both very lucky to have the 1368, I'd love to do that but they seem pretty tough to find so I'm looking at 1.2 16v. Your making me jealous
What SS manifold is that? Does it fit all the FIRE range, 1.1, 1.2,1.4? If so I'll possibly look at getting one now, ready for a new engine, else I'll hold off. I'd like to get stuff that I can use on any other engine.
Any plans for the old MPI block? Selling it on, sure there would be a few SPI'ers who's enjoy it
What does the Emerald ECU do? Just ignition control, using the Sei ECU for everything else? If so is that for more tunability, or would your ECU not work at all with it? If the ECU does ignition, then, can you not retain the single spark, or is there no advantage at all.
Sorry for all the questions
Kristian
The SS manifold is Supersprint which fits 1.2 & 1.4 16v fire engines, so yes suitable for you if you go the 1.2 16v route.
Yeah still have the complete MPI engine with gearbox, no plans for it at the mo, but may want to put it in a cheap broken sei or cinq then sell it on.
The Emerald ECU controls everything it has replaced the standard
sei ECU, this will make it easier to remap and get the most out of the engine!
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but it won't fit the 1.1 then, shame as I could fit it to my current and move it on to a new home....anyways enough of my thoughts on my ideas...don't wanna steer this off topic
Got a linky to the emerald ECU specs and what it does?
Bet your itching to get into it eh? I know I would be, shame we all don't have dads like yours lol :slayer:
Kristian
Got a linky to the emerald ECU specs and what it does?
Bet your itching to get into it eh?
I know I would be, shame we all don't have dads like yours lol :slayer: Kristian
read until your hearts content http://www.emeraldm3d.com/index.html
PS yes the manifold will only fit 16V heads as these are diff from 8V heads.
PS yes the manifold will only fit 16V heads as these are diff from 8V heads.
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Thanks..
and double thanks
Lots of reading and helped me trauling the forums looking up manifolds
Looking forward to more updates
Kristian
and double thanks
Lots of reading and helped me trauling the forums looking up manifolds
Looking forward to more updates
Kristian
It'll make a magnificent little car! (especially if you supercharge it! :devil: )
What offset wheels (and what tyres) did you settle on? Spacers? I'm thinking of Blue, natch.
I understand -- I think -- the decision to ditch the Fly By Wire, but why bin the coil per cylinder? Can the Emerald not handle it?
Isn't this a VVT motor? Can the Emerald deal?
Any issues fitting the gearbag?
What offset wheels (and what tyres) did you settle on? Spacers? I'm thinking of Blue, natch.
I understand -- I think -- the decision to ditch the Fly By Wire, but why bin the coil per cylinder? Can the Emerald not handle it?
Isn't this a VVT motor? Can the Emerald deal?
Any issues fitting the gearbag?
Hey Aaron,
How did the sale of the CinqT go... No problems I hope as last time we spoke you where sort of sold
I noticed your comment about the Swift vs Panda 100HP and I know all things said its down to personal preference but when reading all of the top motor magazines which includes EVO which may I add did an exceptional article on the Panda 100HP last issue. They comment mainly on how good the Panda 100HP handeling is and how nimble it is and when taking a look at "The Knowledge" section in the back it clear boasts that tha Panda 100HP and Swift are the best "Supermini's" that can be purchased at this point.
I know again "personal preference" but the Panda 100HP deserves some credit to be as good as it is and Fiat are finally producing some cars to be proud of or as EVO mentions "Hero car"!!
I myself buying the Panda 100HP back in December just after release and when compared to the Seicento Abarth and Cinquecento Sporting which I owned for a total of around 3 years the Panda 100HP feels in a difference league, the chassis, the engine, the grip and the build quality... This makes me think that Fiat are on a good thing now and shouldnt be compared to a Suzuki IMO as well.... its a Suzuki
Loving this build as well hope there wont be to many problems getting her going. Also glad you did not go for the 100HP badge over the 100 16v badge :slayer: as your so right in saying it would be to obvious and us 100HP owners would come with our Wild Panda's to do your little sei over
Regards
Adam
How did the sale of the CinqT go... No problems I hope as last time we spoke you where sort of sold
I noticed your comment about the Swift vs Panda 100HP and I know all things said its down to personal preference but when reading all of the top motor magazines which includes EVO which may I add did an exceptional article on the Panda 100HP last issue. They comment mainly on how good the Panda 100HP handeling is and how nimble it is and when taking a look at "The Knowledge" section in the back it clear boasts that tha Panda 100HP and Swift are the best "Supermini's" that can be purchased at this point.
I know again "personal preference" but the Panda 100HP deserves some credit to be as good as it is and Fiat are finally producing some cars to be proud of or as EVO mentions "Hero car"!!
I myself buying the Panda 100HP back in December just after release and when compared to the Seicento Abarth and Cinquecento Sporting which I owned for a total of around 3 years the Panda 100HP feels in a difference league, the chassis, the engine, the grip and the build quality... This makes me think that Fiat are on a good thing now and
shouldnt be compared to a Suzuki IMO as well.... its a Suzuki Loving this build as well hope there wont be to many problems getting her going. Also glad you did not go for the 100HP badge over the 100 16v badge :slayer: as your so right in saying it would be to obvious and us 100HP owners would come with our Wild Panda's to do your little sei over
Regards
Adam
there are arguements for wasted spark, i've heard it can result in cleaner cylinders. im not 100% sure why. Also, looking at the spec list.. no, it couldn't handle COP. It only has 3 ignition drivers.
re vvt, i dont think that engine is vvt. im assuming emerald could handle it.. megasquirt can..
Hey Aaron,
How did the sale of the CinqT go... No problems I hope as last time we spoke you where sort of sold
I noticed your comment about the Swift vs Panda 100HP and I know all things said its down to personal preference but when reading all of the top motor magazines which includes EVO which may I add did an exceptional article on the Panda 100HP last issue. They comment mainly on how good the Panda 100HP handeling is and how nimble it is and when taking a look at "The Knowledge" section in the back it clear boasts that tha Panda 100HP and Swift are the best "Supermini's" that can be purchased at this point.
I know again "personal preference" but the Panda 100HP deserves some credit to be as good as it is and Fiat are finally producing some cars to be proud of or as EVO mentions "Hero car"!!
I myself buying the Panda 100HP back in December just after release and when compared to the Seicento Abarth and Cinquecento Sporting which I owned for a total of around 3 years the Panda 100HP feels in a difference league, the chassis, the engine, the grip and the build quality... This makes me think that Fiat are on a good thing now and
Loving this build as well hope there wont be to many problems getting her going. Also glad you did not go for the 100HP badge over the 100 16v badge :slayer: as your so right in saying it would be to obvious and us 100HP owners would come with our Wild Panda's to do your little sei over
Regards
Adam
Yes sale of Cinq went well, new owner on here.
The Swift was included in the EVO Mags ECOTY and one memorable point in article is when one is driving the Porsche Caymen and says he can't shift the Suzuki Swift from his tail cross Wales, and Tiff Needle raved about, his favourite new car of last year, and was mentioned on Top Gear at weekend as THE best new supermini and went as far as to say it was the new Mini, forget the new BMW Mini, high praise indeed. Not saying the Panda is not a good car, by all accounts it’s a very good car, but having seen both the Suzuki looks to be a division up, not just a grand dearer. And let’s not forget the Fiat Sedici is built by Suzuki & has Suzuki engines as well. As said all car buying is a personal choice if it wasn’t we would all drive silver cars with 4 doors with no badges.
And as for the Sei, well put it this way it has a 200kgs advantage over a Panda with same engine and gearbox and brakes yet has more power, so who do you think would be worried side by side
Anyway off track
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It'll make a magnificent little car! (especially if you supercharge it! :devil: )
What offset wheels (and what tyres) did you settle on? Spacers? I'm thinking of Blue, natch.
I understand -- I think -- the decision to ditch the Fly By Wire, but why bin the coil per cylinder? Can the Emerald not handle it?
Isn't this a VVT motor? Can the Emerald deal?
Any issues fitting the gearbag?
The wasted spark system is as Arc states thought of highly in tuning terms as it helps keep everything clean. The fly by wire if you have driven a car with one, I drove a 1.8 16V Stilo is poor, slow to react, numb feeling and we have gone for a much bigger throttle body, more of which will be revealed at a later date once its finished.
1368 is not VVT, but Emerald can easily cope with it, remember it was developed for the kit car/Caterham market that happen to love K series which of course come in VVT spec, it even plugs straight into the looms of MGFs/Caterhams etc without doing a thing.
I know its the favoured choice at the mo on Lotus Elise/Exige conversion which range from Honda Type R engines which are VTEC and VAG 20VT units, so covers most bases.
Wheels, we picked up for a great price from Wales, originally off a Fiat X19, so they are 15" 6J ET19, the offset works great at the front, maybe a little much on rear, though the wheels do not stick out, depending on how much the car drops on bumps etc may have some arch scrubage meaning get those rolled. It’s running the standard 20K shocks with uprated H&R springs, so we'll see how it works out. Tyres are at present 195/45 but may change to a 175/50, same side wall height, but squarer profile when fitted on this width of wheel, means no rim protection though.
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Forgot to answer with regards to gearbox, it was no problem, drive shafts fitted straight on, had to convert to cable operation clutch, but this was not difficult. Needed a new mounting bracket made up to hold the clutch cable in place similar to what is on the standard box, there may have been something else, but all fairly straight forward with correct equipement. Electronic speedo drive fitted straight in in place of plastic blanking cap as on more modern cars speedo is driven by ABS sensors.
did you use the Sei's diff cups? I would've thought they'd be different on the stilo, i know they differed on puntos(55/60) to bravas
Bummer! I've been using wasted spark for 30 years or so, since I first fitted a Lucas Rita to a Ducati. Of course, there were no emissions issues then............:slayer: I'd guess it is fairly effective, albeit less so than Alfa's wasted spark plug!
While I can't see it being less good per se than a single coil per cylinder set up, without a driver for each plug (and each injector) you can only tune to the weakest cylinder (the one which detonates first). Ideally you'd like to mix fuelling and advance to get the most power out of each individual cylinder. :yum:
Thanks for the stuff on the wheels -- should actually be an easier fit on a Cinq than on a Sei.
