royal mail strike

[custard]

well strikes are ongoing.no deliverys this saturday.
RM are going ahead with later starts for posties as part of their changes.
supposedly due to the new speed limits for HGV's though more a cost saving exercise and a way to move full time hours closer to part time shifts.

so for example(it varies in every office)we start at 5am though most start earlier tbh
the proposal is staggered starts with van drivers and some staff starting at 5am
posties in general starting at either 5.40am or 6.40am depending the day.
so if you think you get late mail now,wait till posties are starting nearly 2 hours later!
14 of september is the proposed start date

 

[twincamms]

We are on strike this Thursday 1900 for 24 hours.

The later start times are to be imposed from 12th August in our Mail Centre. 0515 starts will then be 0615 starts, all of the people affected will lose their £12.86 unsociable start time allowance, this would negate the £8.06 pay rise offered should we accept it, the mind boggles.............................

 

[The Negotiator]

This does amuse me, any job I have ever had, I am told a prescribed start time or given flextime (which still have lots of limits). That's the way that the world works. If you want to work different hours and earn more/less money because of it, change jobs?

 

[custard]

This does amuse me, any job I have ever had, I am told a prescribed start time or given flextime (which still have lots of limits). That's the way that the world works. If you want to work different hours and earn more/less money because of it, change jobs?

paul the hours were set at job start.yes
now im told my start time could vary by 2 hours changing daily ,possibly,maybe.
if the van drivers start at 5am and you start at 5.45 with no buses and all drivers at work then how do you get in?

as an end consumer you have no idea what an impact this will have on you,far more than it will have on me!
today we had 3 new posties start (part time),maybe 10 words of english between them

 

[The Negotiator]

That has NOTHING to do with the strike though.

It still comes down to the fact that if your hours change then you either have to move on or change to them, it's life. It wasn't life 30 years ago but it is now. The rest of the country follows such a basis, if RM doesn't, it will only harm it in the long run.

 

[custard]

That has NOTHING to do with the strike though.

It still comes down to the fact that if your hours change then you either have to move on or change to them, it's life. It wasn't life 30 years ago but it is now. The rest of the country follows such a basis, if RM doesn't, it will only harm it in the long run.

um yes it is.it has everything to do with the strike.the strike is NOT only about the pay rise.
RM are using this in the press
its about all the changes RM refuse to discuss,elaborate on

 

[The Negotiator]

Employing foreigners is not an issue in the RM strike, CWU are NOT striking based on employing foreign workers. That is more of an issue of cheap labour coming from abroad and with all due respect, I doubt they would strike over having to work 2 hours later or say it was wrong that jobs that can be done automatically, get done automatically.

 

[custard]

Employing foreigners is not an issue in the RM strike, CWU are NOT striking based on employing foreign workers. That is more of an issue of cheap labour coming from abroad and with all due respect, I doubt they would strike over having to work 2 hours later or say it was wrong that jobs that can be done automatically, get done automatically.

paul my point was quality of service.if you are not fluent in english then its a bit of an issue in day to day work is it not?
there is a direct correlation in the levels of complaints over misdeliveries i have to deal with.

so i'll ask you paul,what is the strike about.just the pay rise?

 

[twincamms]

Paul, let me just say, that people aren't really resiting the time change, it'll effect service more than it will them, an extra hour in bed from 0400 to 0500 I'm sure will be appreciated, especially in winter, but to have your time changed and £12.86 a week taken off you for the privelige is a kick in the teeth, remember these guys that deliver your mail are out there in all weathers six days a week for a measly take home pay of £242, can you really buy a house and raise a family on that ???

Also, the immigrants, they DO damage the service, if you can't read or spell or speak English, how the bloody hell can you deliver the mail correctly and are they proud to do the job ??? Not really as they are allowed to do the job in civvies, no uniform provided, just a high visibility vest...........................

 

[The Negotiator]

Custard, the CWU have all the issues on a letter on their website, hence why I checked. Of course employing non-English speakers impacts the service (for certain jobs) but that is not the point here; that is more of a HR issue impacted by the current UK job market.

At the end of the day, if an employer says "we have to change the work times for reason x and y" and "we can pay this amount and not lose money" and "we have to close office z because it is losing money", that's life. We are a market economy!

 

[custard]

Custard, the CWU have all the issues on a letter on their website, hence why I checked. Of course employing non-English speakers impacts the service (for certain jobs) but that is not the point here; that is more of a HR issue impacted by the current UK job market.

At the end of the day, if an employer says "we have to change the work times for reason x and y" and "we can pay this amount and not lose money" and "we have to close office z because it is losing money", that's life. We are a market economy!

exactly and the CWU wants RM to go into detail of the plans.the wont/dont.
instead we have dribs and drabs,mis/disinfformation,smoke and mirrors and constantly moving goalposts

 

[twincamms]

Custard, with respect, to get into a debate with Paul is futile, he, like most of the general public have no idea of what is really happening within our industry, let him and others get on with it, they believe the propoganda and we shall see in five years time, how the best postal system in the world will have been ruined...............................

357 years of infastructure and network, a service that rivals any in the world, destroyed by two idiots, Leighton and Crozier, if I'm wrong, I'll eat my hair..................................

 

[The Negotiator]

Custard, with respect, to get into a debate with Paul is futile, he, like most of the general public have no idea of what is really happening within our industry, let him and others get on with it, they believe the propoganda and we shall see in five years time, how the best postal system in the world will have been ruined...............................

357 years of infastructure and network, a service that rivals any in the world, destroyed by two idiots, Leighton and Crozier, if I'm wrong, I'll eat my hair..................................

It will survive at least, it will be unable to continue as it is and will just die uncontrollably unless change is made.

 

[The Negotiator]

exactly and the CWU wants RM to go into detail of the plans.the wont/dont.
instead we have dribs and drabs,mis/disinfformation,smoke and mirrors and constantly moving goalposts

Again, that's how it works with large companies! This is what RM employees and CWU need to get out of their head; it is a business first, an employer second and a service third. If it's not a business first, it dies.

 

[twincamms]

Paul, you ARE wrong!

You are really winding me up now.

RM is a Public Service so it's service first, business second, employees third.

Get it into your thick head, until RM is privatised it is a Public Service and not a commercial business with board members and shareholders.

It's like saying the NHS, Police, Army, Fire Service is business first, service second, it's totally inconcievable............................

I will start agreeing with you as soon as RM is sold off, in the meantime stop talking out of your aerosloe.......................................

 

[The Negotiator]

Don't you see that your post is exactly what is wrong with the workforce's opinion? I presume not.

 

[custard]

fair enough paul but with the cuts being made the business is suffering.with a fall in service come higher complaints and more compensation,loss of contracts and the likelyhood of fines from postcomm combined by a loss of faith.
i can see the changes in just the last 6 months and the negative effects it has had on the quality of service.6 months ago there was no mail left in the office after the posties were out.
its a daily situation of mail failures now

 

[The Negotiator]

fair enough paul but with the cuts being made the business is suffering.with a fall in service come higher complaints and more compensation,loss of contracts and the likelyhood of fines from postcomm combined by a loss of faith.
i can see the changes in just the last 6 months and the negative effects it has had on the quality of service.6 months ago there was no mail left in the office after the posties were out.
its a daily situation of mail failures now

Do you honestly think that the management of RM are aiming to produce a negative impact on service for the hell of it though?

 

[custard]

do i honestly believe the decisions they are making a correct bar panic cost cutting would be more appropriate.
ive said it before paul,streamlining and cost cutting are two different things.
ive proposed many streamlining and cost cutting ideas which could be implemented with very little work v gain.
to date 0 have gone beyond my proposal

 

[The Negotiator]

Because with all due respect, you're a postman in a company which has 15,000 branches in this country and employs around what, 150,000? You have a very small voice, like anybody does in a company beyond 100 people.

TC for example is claiming that using automation for mail sorting is a bad thing (from investment from the government) - that is simply not the case. It means people lose their jobs but it also means a streamlined, cost cut business. RM has to give people extra money to start early or pay people to be full time when they don't need to be? Start people later to save money and use part time employees. Sucks to the employees but the business will survive.

After all, the RM is a PLC.