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It's ok this time, I don't have anything in the post. RM and RM's workforce are trying the public's patience though.
Don't even go there, unless you know the facts I suggest you remain silent on this one!
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Don't even go there, unless you know the facts I suggest you remain silent on this one!
Facts:
Since Allan Leighton and Adam Crozier took over leadership at Royal Mail they have in their three years made 30,000 staff redundant.
They have paid themselves £1million a year each.
On top of their £1million salary, they both just paid themselves a £370,000 bonus because we achieved record delivery targets for 2006/2007.
They only work 9 hours a week each for Royal Mail as they sit on the board of six other companies.
Posites have been offered 2.5% pay increase this is £8.06 a week but there are strings attached.
They are being asked to change their start times from 0500 to 0600, this will lose them a premium allowance of £12 a week for unsociable start time, payrise becomes a pay loss.
The government has lent Royal Mail £1.2 billion to mechanise the industry, this will create 40,000 more redundancies.
Posties work six days a week, come rain or shine, they net £242.00 a week, would you do it?
Royal Mail refuse to announce their 2006/2007 profits, why?
They took a Pension Fund contribution holiday for thirteen years, the fund is now £4.6billion in defecit, they now want Posties to increase their pension contributions from 6% of their wages to 10%.
My dinner is on the table, I will be back................................
Since Allan Leighton and Adam Crozier took over leadership at Royal Mail they have in their three years made 30,000 staff redundant.
They have paid themselves £1million a year each.
On top of their £1million salary, they both just paid themselves a £370,000 bonus because we achieved record delivery targets for 2006/2007.
They only work 9 hours a week each for Royal Mail as they sit on the board of six other companies.
Posites have been offered 2.5% pay increase this is £8.06 a week but there are strings attached.
They are being asked to change their start times from 0500 to 0600, this will lose them a premium allowance of £12 a week for unsociable start time, payrise becomes a pay loss.
The government has lent Royal Mail £1.2 billion to mechanise the industry, this will create 40,000 more redundancies.
Posties work six days a week, come rain or shine, they net £242.00 a week, would you do it?
Royal Mail refuse to announce their 2006/2007 profits, why?
They took a Pension Fund contribution holiday for thirteen years, the fund is now £4.6billion in defecit, they now want Posties to increase their pension contributions from 6% of their wages to 10%.
My dinner is on the table, I will be back................................
Excuse me? Read my post, the FACT is that the public's patience (along with business) is being pushed. You can look at it all day long from an employee's point of view and be entirely subjective if you want, but that won't solve anything.
It's RM modernising, and not a minute too soon. It must do to survive.
Here we go again, talking without all of the facts!
You've heard that we need to modernise because of the competition, without us there is no competition.
There are 18 competitors out there, all of them have won contracts we have lost, however, they are using a service that POSTCOMM have forced us to give them, it's called DOWNSTREAM ACCESS, let me explain, DHL, TNT or any of the other 'competitors' goes to a company, offers them bulk business postings at 10p per item, we are regulated and must offer the same service at 13p per item, BT for example mails out 20 million items, who will they choose?
Now here is the bit the public are kept in the dark about, the 'competitors' go to the businesses they've won, collect the mail, then dump it at Royal Mail sites, we are obligated by POSTCOMM to sort and deliver it, this is called DOWNSTREAM ACCESS, we run at a loss of 3p per item. What other business would allow it's pipeline to be used like this?
In essence, there is no competition. The public NEED to support these strikes.
Also, Royal Mail want Posties to start at 0600, not start delivering until 0900 and finish work at 1500, instead of their 0445 to 0115 shift they currently perform, the knock on effect is you mail later, business mail later, a loss of service to you the public.
They are also intent on cosing another 4500 Post Offices nationally by 2009.
Is this what you call modernisation ???
Look at what Allan Leighton did to Asda and the GMB.
Look at what Adam Crozier did to Leeds FC.
And let's not forget, the Royal Mail is supposed to be a Government owned Public Service with a Six Day Universal Obligation to deliver to 26 million homes, it's not supposed to be a profit making industry.
You've heard that we need to modernise because of the competition, without us there is no competition.
There are 18 competitors out there, all of them have won contracts we have lost, however, they are using a service that POSTCOMM have forced us to give them, it's called DOWNSTREAM ACCESS, let me explain, DHL, TNT or any of the other 'competitors' goes to a company, offers them bulk business postings at 10p per item, we are regulated and must offer the same service at 13p per item, BT for example mails out 20 million items, who will they choose?
Now here is the bit the public are kept in the dark about, the 'competitors' go to the businesses they've won, collect the mail, then dump it at Royal Mail sites, we are obligated by POSTCOMM to sort and deliver it, this is called DOWNSTREAM ACCESS, we run at a loss of 3p per item. What other business would allow it's pipeline to be used like this?
In essence, there is no competition. The public NEED to support these strikes.
Also, Royal Mail want Posties to start at 0600, not start delivering until 0900 and finish work at 1500, instead of their 0445 to 0115 shift they currently perform, the knock on effect is you mail later, business mail later, a loss of service to you the public.
They are also intent on cosing another 4500 Post Offices nationally by 2009.
Is this what you call modernisation ???
Look at what Allan Leighton did to Asda and the GMB.
Look at what Adam Crozier did to Leeds FC.
And let's not forget, the Royal Mail is supposed to be a Government owned Public Service with a Six Day Universal Obligation to deliver to 26 million homes, it's not supposed to be a profit making industry.
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Sorry but do you honestly think I don't know any of this?
Your comments like:
Suggest you are anti-modernisation. Do you now see that using such methods is the only way that RM will be able to offer a service??
Closing of post offices? It's necessary, post offices are not what they used to be.
Of course you could continue paying 40,000 people to sort mail that can be done by machinery and subsidising failing post offices that have 2 people a week buying 2nd class stamps.
Your comments like:
Suggest you are anti-modernisation. Do you now see that using such methods is the only way that RM will be able to offer a service??
Closing of post offices? It's necessary, post offices are not what they used to be.
Of course you could continue paying 40,000 people to sort mail that can be done by machinery and subsidising failing post offices that have 2 people a week buying 2nd class stamps.
Ok, we'll leave it there, I'm being too subjective, you are right I am wrong, debate closed.
The only thing I will say is that this is a Government conspiracy to get the public onside and privatise Royal Mail, then we'll have British Rail and all the rail networks quality in our postal systems.
Two people a week buying stamps, there are ques out of the door evertime I pass my local Post Office, they provide so many services and their biggest business these days is eBayers sending stuff.
The only thing I will say is that this is a Government conspiracy to get the public onside and privatise Royal Mail, then we'll have British Rail and all the rail networks quality in our postal systems.
Two people a week buying stamps, there are ques out of the door evertime I pass my local Post Office, they provide so many services and their biggest business these days is eBayers sending stuff.
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Whilst I agree with the last comment, it no longer works, it is too great a loss. Other similar services world wide are not in such a poor state.
Allan Leighton at Asda? You mean he turned a £500M company into a £6 billion company in what, 3-4 years?
Are you mixed up? Leighton is involved with Leeds FC? I mean it's all in a BBC factfile!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3115042.stm
Leighton is one of the best businessmen in the country; it might not be best for every Royal Mail worker, but that's life.
Yes, I take your point but RM is not a business in a commercial sense, it's a Public Service, like the NHS, like the Police, etc.
Who else can deliver a letter for 32p from London to Shetland the very next day? Try one of our competitiors and see what they charge.
Who else can deliver a letter for 32p from London to Shetland the very next day? Try one of our competitiors and see what they charge.
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this is the problem paul.its not competitive because were not allowed to be.RM's answer to competition is cost/job cutting and thats it,not making the buisness more efficient which is a different matter altogether.
while as TC said we are tied to postcomms rules of providing downstream access to our competitiors
while as TC said we are tied to postcomms rules of providing downstream access to our competitiors
Custard, you work for RM ???
I can send a piece of post at La Poste in France for 50 euro cents and it go anywhere in the EU....I have been trying to compare RM to other similar services elsewhere and it leads to many surprises.
Unfortunately it being a public service isn't seen to work anymore, I presume the people that decided that know better than me whether it's true.
I personally never did and never will agree with opening up the market in the way they have, I am confused as to exactly why it has happened.
But you can't disagree that things like automatic systems to replace 40,000 staff are efficiency improvements. Sucks for the staff lost but that is life.
Unfortunately it being a public service isn't seen to work anymore, I presume the people that decided that know better than me whether it's true.
I personally never did and never will agree with opening up the market in the way they have, I am confused as to exactly why it has happened.
But you can't disagree that things like automatic systems to replace 40,000 staff are efficiency improvements. Sucks for the staff lost but that is life.
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I am not against competition or modernisation, in fact I agree with an effeciency drive, but it has to be done moderately and fairly.
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What do you do Custard.
I work in a Mail Centre, I worked in Processing on nights for 8 years as a Postie, sorting OPS, etc. I then worked as a Night Shift Manager for two years and I now work as a Postie again in the Delivery Office, again, permanent nights sorting ISS.
I want VR as soon as it's available, I have had enough and need to leave.
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mail centre scum
on the street postie with some phg and BR work thrown in.
this was a tide me over to get back to uni but unfortunatly circumstances have extended it
to about 2 years.unfortunatly a recent event makes uni a definate 5 year(and possibly more) plan item :bang:so ,many long termers have been lost recently,being replaced with part time workers who neither posses the skills or care. i worked OT yesterday(day off) on a different duty from my norm.
the part timer didnt finish my walk leaving around 250 calls and i had ot tke it all out today
DON'T LISTEN TO CUSTARD HE DOES NOT WORK AT ROYAL MAIL!
HE JUST WAITS OUTSIDE THE LOCAL SORTING OFFICE AND HAS MANAGED TO MOCK UP SOME UNIFORMS!
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HE JUST WAITS OUTSIDE THE LOCAL SORTING OFFICE AND HAS MANAGED TO MOCK UP SOME UNIFORMS!
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postie groupie :devil:
I cannot wait to escape, I originally only joined RM as a stepping stone, in between jobs and ended up staying for twelve whole years, now I've done my time I'm hoping this strike moves on so that I can take my VR, they are offering 3.75 times your weekly wage per year, so I'm looking at £16k, then I'm gone........................................
I have never despised a job so much and dreaded going to work as much as I have in the last two years, it's a horrible horrible place to work.
I have never despised a job so much and dreaded going to work as much as I have in the last two years, it's a horrible horrible place to work.
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aye when i started i didnt mind so much but morale is so low just now.
everyones pissed off,i hope this is the push that sorts it out as the loss of earnings isnt helping me and were getting to the point where the rise will be a moot point with the loss in strike wages
everyones pissed off,i hope this is the push that sorts it out as the loss of earnings isnt helping me and were getting to the point where the rise will be a moot point with the loss in strike wages
I don't believe we wil win this strike, Leighton has Government and Public support, any pay rise will not be back-dated to April 1st, 40,000 jobs will still go, we have nothing to gain, we are losing money for no particular reason, I've even contemplated going in, but with 1200 employees on our site it would be suicide.
I'll be glad when it's over!
I'll be glad when it's over!
