Technical Revving by itself...

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Hi, noticed after starting my Panda it revs itself a little bit, like in the video. I took that last night. With volume up, you can kind of hear how smoothly it runs.

This is a recurring issue, hoping it's nothing serious. It drives well with no hesitation whatsoever.

1.2 Petrol Dynamic 2005
 
Vacuum or air leaks can cause the idle to sway around like that.
There isn't much ran by vacuum except the brake servo, so first check that is all ok and no splits or cracks have appeared in the pipe.

Another, and I suffered from it, was the upstream O2 sensor.

The car would swing it's rpm around like that after a cold start and would do it all day unless I turned the engine off hot and restarted it, then it ran ok.

When trying to log what was happening with a diagnostic tool I noticed my fuel status wasn't tripping into Closed Loop after a cold start and the car would rev it's self up and down just like yours.

It just keep starting in Open Loop as it should from cold, then as it warmed up, instead of tripping into Closed Loop it tripped into some failsafe Open Loop-System Fault fuel setting (I presume a really rich setting to save the engine).

As the coolant and all the other sensor appeared to be reading correctly I guessed it was the O2 failing to self heat quick enough (that's why it ran ok after a hot restart, the exhaust gasses had heated it up enough by then)

As luck has it, the up and down stream O2's have the same part number and as the down does very little (monitors the cat's performance, where the up trims the fueling once in cloded loop), I swapped them over and bingo, it was all back to normal.

Oddly enough there was no engine check light when this was all going on, though I did manage to get the odd pending code, which I later found was O2 related.
 
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Are you pretty confident those are the only causes? Or is it like a 'my car won't start' problem where a million small / major problems alike could be responsible?

Is a vacuum or air leak serious? I wouldn't even know what parts to check :-(


What kind of parts / labour would I be looking to get this resolved fully?

and is it something that will cause damage to the car in the short or long term?

Don't wanna keep letting it ruin itself if that's the case :O

Thanks
 
Some other helpful details about the situation...

- The car starts perfectly .

- The car accelerates very fast and responsive (something I didnt expect but love about it actually!)

- The car sounds and the engine looks like it's running really smooth and quietly (compared to past 1.0 cars)

- Once heated up and idle (in traffic) i notice no self-movement of the rev needle.

- Sometimes when I accelerate in 1st I hear a light grinding, linked problem or different problem or fact about the Panda driving experience?
 
Are you pretty confident those are the only causes?

No, there could be lots of other problems that'll produce the same result.
I was trying to offer a couple of avenues to start you off.
But if you don't know where to start, you need to find someone that does.

Is your grinding sound coming from the engine when it's under load?
Like a scraping/rattling sound like there's rust in the exhaust manifold?
If so it could be pinking (pinging/knocking/predentonation) due to lean fueling, again a common result of an air leak.

A lean engine isn't good as the combustion temps will be screaming hot and that isn't good for the engine.
 
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No, there could be lots of other problems that'll produce the same result.
I was trying to offer a couple of avenues to start you off.
But if you don't know where to start, you need to find someone that does.

Is your grinding sound coming from the engine when it's under load?
Like a scraping/rattling sound like there's rust in the exhaust manifold?
If so it could be pinking (pinging/knocking/predentonation) due to lean fueling, again a common result of an air leak.

A lean engine isn't good as the combustion temps will be screaming hot and that isn't good for the engine.

Ah right I see.

Spoke to a few people around where I live, they maintain it's just because it's cold (ice was on the car yesterday, from slightly freezing weather not snow or extremes). They said it's a cold start thing.

And I realised too that by the time the car has heated up (without restarting) it stops happening, leading me to think maybe it's not a big problem?

By all means I'm going to try and learn to check all the things you have said here too to be sure.

The grinding, I'm not sure, it feels like it's coming from under the front of the car so engine is probably safe to say. It's a steady tone grind, not rattle as such, but any way I can check? Theres a crack in my exhaust manifold COVER (can't really see the actual thing) but could that be a sign somethings wrong?
 
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