Parking "ticket"

[Andy Monty]

Right then Another of the infamous Parking Contravention Enforcement Notices.....

it mentions PCN and is threatening to send the matter to the debt collectors (my mothers name is on the ticket however i know for a FACT she was Not the driver of the car at the time of the "offence"

what steps did the others on here actually take in the end????

as IIRC

the "PCN" phrase cant be used,
My mother wasn't driving or even in the car she was at work 150 ish miles away......

IIRC someone in the past Vemeco (spl) reported the company to the police.... is that worth doing?

Help please

 

[Focus Owner]

pnc = Police National Computer

it dont matter who was in the car does it?

 

[Hellcat]

PCN is penalty charge notice isn't it?

Do they have to prove who was the driver rather than the keeper?

 

[Andy Monty]

PCN is penalty charge notice isn't it?

Do they have to prove who was the driver rather than the keeper?

this is what i'm trying to find out HC

IIRC its a passive contract between the driver and the "company" the only time a registered keeper is liable is when its a police or local authority ticket

 

[Focus Owner]

dont they expane the terms on the back?

 

[Andy Monty]

dont they expane the terms on the back?

nope there is nothing on the back of the "ticket"

 

[FDF]

The person who committed the offence should pay the fine, if an offence was committed.

It should explain how to challenge the ticket on the ticket somewhere. I think you get the opportunity to put your case to a independent official type person.

You might get a better idea from this web site.

http://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/site/index.php

 

[Andy Monty]

The person who committed the offence should pay the fine, if an offence was committed.

It should explain how to challenge the ticket on the ticket somewhere. I think you get the opportunity to put your case to a independent official type person.

You might get a better idea from this web site.

http://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/site/index.php

there is nothing at all related to an Appeal all we got was the envelope and the "ticket" nothing printed on the back.

 

[Focus Owner]

also the leaving time has to be wrong its just too exact

 

[Andy Monty]

unless its on cctv ANPR type camera Daz then it would prove the point that it was not my mother driving.......

 

[Andy Monty]

right just drafted this:



Dear Sir or Madam,

I am in receipt of your invoice for parking at the (52 West Bridgeford Road, West Bridgeford, Nottingham, NG2 6AP) on the (16/07/2008).
pcn number XXXXXXXXXXX

I note you have written to me as the registered keeper of the vehicle. Please be advised that as the registered keeper of the vehicle concerned that I have no liability whatsoever to pay your invoice. You need to contact the driver and invoice them directly.


Please do not correspond with me any further on this matter except to confirm that you will be not taking the matter any further with me as the registered keeper of the vehicle.


Yours sincerely

mrs Monty


does that look ok????

 

[MiG]

I thought these type of tickets aren't worth the paper they're written on and not to pay them?

I mean looks a bit late to be getting a ticket

 

[FDF]

Maybe your car has been cloned, would explain how you can be in two places at once.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

See https://www.fiatforum.com/leisure-lounge/140729-95-quid-parking-penalty.html

And https://www.fiatforum.com/leisure-l...t-company-let-teach-cheeting-gits-lesson.html (Mine)

Do not pay what ever you do.

It is a charge for using a carpark in which the registered owner didn't use! So as you say, they shouldn't be paying.

They also provide no evidence. I'd call/write asking what evidence they have first. You also want exact times. Evidence of who was driving as you think the car 'could be a cloan' (KA's are fairly common which will be on your side).

Jon.

 

[Andy Monty]

See https://www.fiatforum.com/leisure-lounge/140729-95-quid-parking-penalty.html

And https://www.fiatforum.com/leisure-l...t-company-let-teach-cheeting-gits-lesson.html (Mine)

Do not pay what ever you do.

It is a charge for using a carpark in which the registered owner didn't use! So as you say, they shouldn't be paying.

They also provide no evidence. I'd call/write asking what evidence they have first. You also want exact times. Evidence of who was driving as you think the car 'could be a cloan' (KA's are fairly common which will be on your side).

Jon.

there's a lovely "we have photographic evidence" bit on the ticket but they want £10 for a copy they can F.R.O. if they are going to get any money in my eyes

 

[Focus Owner]

say you refuse to pay any money at all
till you see photographic proof off myself behind the wheel

they cant prove it they cant charge it

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

there's a lovely "we have photographic evidence" bit on the ticket but they want £10 for a copy they can F.R.O. if they are going to get any money in my eyes

O, things get interesting :yum:

I think they'll find it's against the law that, not that what they are doing has any legal stance anyway.

I know if cought speeding they have to supply photographic evidence if you ask, free OC.

Try having ago about wanting the pic under the freedom of informaion act, or bull s**t them into thinking they'll get the extra £10 whe you pay.

Ask what sort of clocking in and out method they use to prove the time you got there and went

Jon.

 

[coxy1892]

if this a is a private car park they have no rights in using the term PCN which is penalty Charge Notice a pcn can be only issued by a civil enforcement officer, so tjhat is worded wrong if it is a private company car park ie asda so on.
Any fine for any thing related to parking matters has to ahve some form of appeals proccess this is LAW prime example is the situation you where rushed to hospital it would be highly unlikely you could move the car and this should be with any documention you recived

 

[venomco]

Do Not Pay!

The following does not constitute legal advice!

PCN referns to a Penalty Charge Notice, however this company will mean a parking charge notice - Only enforceable by the courts if they deem it is necassary,. and it may only be a reasonable charge to cover any loss - i.e a parking bay costs £1 for 1 hour, if you overstay by an hour, the maximum you can be charged is £1.

I do find it interesting that this company has the scales of justice (top right) on their ticket, this combined with the term PCN and the fact they will hand this case over to debt recovery constitutes a crime in itself under Section 40(d) of the Administration of Justice Act 1970.

Section 40 of the act provides that a person commits an offence if, with the object of coercing another person to pay money claimed from the other as a debt due under contract, he or she: (d) utters a document falsely represented by him to have some official character or purporting to have some official character which he knows it has not.

Do not fall into the trap of independant adjudication - the government is the only 'body' to undergo this process.

I reccomend you write back with the following:

Dear Sirs,

Re: Your letter dated [dd/mm/yyyy] Reference[#]

I acknowledge receipt of your PCN. It seems that you have got my details from the DVLA and I can confirm I am (or am acting opn behalf of) the keeper of the vehicle in question. Unfortunately I was not the driver on the day in question and can support this with evidence.

I am under no obligation to pay this PCN, which I am sure you know is a term reserved soley for the use of the Police and registered traffic wardens, not for private parking companies such as yourself.

I am also interested to know as to why you deem it necessary to print the scales of justice on your ticket - I find this ironic in many ways, one being the fact that to utter a document that falesly represents itself to have in someway official character is an offence under Section 40(d) of the Administration of Justice Act 1970.

I therefore absolutely deny your claim that the amount claimed, or any amount at all, is due to you from me. I also deny any future claims and that any further correspondence relating to this matter, unless from your solicitors, will be reported to the authorities under the Protection From Harassment Act 1997.

Please be further aware that I do not take threats to my finances lightly, and I will take this matter as far as is needed in order to deny payment to you. I strongly suggest you cease and desist now.

This letter is written without prejudice.

Yours faithfully

Hope this helps in someway, I have succesfully had two companines operating in the same manner closed down, and I will be happy to stay involved to the end. I have also helped a few members (and their friends eh Kay) get out of these tickets.

Tom

 

[ThisBitterPill]

Tom strikes again! :slayer::worship: