General Panda versus Polo

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General Panda versus Polo

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It seems that to review a car without comparing it with another one makes no sense. Only when I drove a brand new VW Polo yesterday, I found out what Panda is like, and for that matter, what Polo is like. Although in the same category and similarly priced, they are sooo different!

A brief review, ok?

It's a Polo 1.4, with about as much power as Panda 1.2. THe first impression is that it's a bigger car, more comfy to sit in and drive, but soon you find how lazy it is! If you don't rev it at least 4000 rpm, it almost refuses to move. And when you do rev it, how loud it is compared to Panda! Panda is quick enough at 2500 and not very loud, this Polo's engine sounds like a huge sports car engine rather than a city car. I don't know why that Polo engine sounds like a race car video game. Panda sounds like a real engine, even if you can hear that is is not a 1970s engine.

Another problem with Polo is that you have no idea how fast you are driving. In panda, when you are slow, you know it, when you accelerate you know it, you know when you break speed limits in Panda, but in Polo no matter how fast you drive, be it 10 mph or 100 mph, it feels the same. Not much fun at all. Oh, the gear shift lever is so far away from the steering wheel, unlike Panda's,. that it takes you about 5 minutes before you find it in the cabin. The steering wheel is strangely thin and awfully light. No resistance at all, another element that makes Polo feel like a video game rather than a real car.

Another strange thing about Polo is that in general, the suspension seems quiet and comfortable - until you hit a tiny little bump or a hole then it feels as if the car had no suspension at all. Arrgh. In Panda you kind of jump around all the time so when you hit something it makes no difference.

The only thing that seems kind of fun in that Polo is that when you drive it really hard. When you keep the revs at least at 4000, the car is as quick as Panda and loud like hell. It also feels more sure footed when you make quick turns through bends, it seems to grip with confidence, where Panda is kind of "catch me if you can".

As someone who loves to drive, I would not replace my Panda with that Polo. But it would be fun to have it for occasional spin and drive it really fast. I know it can't go fast, but the engine sounds like it is a ferrari and as you have no idea how fast you are driving in Polo anyway, you can imagine anything.

To sum up, Polo is two cars. One is for elderly ladies who drive slowly and like to drive it only to see their grandchildren who live around the corner. The other car is a kind of virtual race car for crazy people with a lot of imagination whose Xbox stopped working.

Panda? A real driver's car.
 
Just returned from Lesvos where there are loads of Pandas in lots of interesting colours, being oh so sad I started to take photographs of them though normally they'd passed by before I got the camera out.
I hired a Yaris whilst away and it sounds a bit like the Polo and every other euro box. They all drive the same, Yaris, Corsa, Getz and a few others I've hired and forgotten. The only car with any personality is the Panda and when you consider the price differential between the Panda and all the other small cars it just makes the Panda look even better value. I still think the 1.2 Panda is a great drive.
 
Yes, it is not about how fast it is when you use a meter, but how fast it feels and how fun it feels and friendly.

Anyway, does anyone know what makes modern petrol engine sound more and more buzzing? Or electric or I don't know what it is. As i said Panda already sounds more modern than an average 1997 four cylinder petrol engine, but this Polo sounds even more "modern". But so loud in higher revs. Quite surprising for a VW cutting edge (or say latest) technology.
 
As someone who loves to drive, I would not replace my Panda with that Polo. But it would be fun to have it for occasional spin and drive it really fast. I know it can't go fast, but the engine sounds like it is a ferrari and as you have no idea how fast you are driving in Polo anyway, you can imagine anything.

To sum up, Polo is two cars. One is for elderly ladies who drive slowly and like to drive it only to see their grandchildren who live around the corner. The other car is a kind of virtual race car for crazy people with a lot of imagination whose Xbox stopped working.

Panda? A real driver's car.

Really? A Polo doesn't sound like a Ferrari, sorry but it doesn't.

I almost don't understand your post, it's just odd, I mean 'you can imagine anything'? What does that mean?

The Panda 1.2 engine is ancient. What's an average 1997 engine and why 1997?
 
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A polo isnt a valid comparison though is it? In my opinion the panda is at the bottom of the car family, what i would call a "supermini". whilst id put the polo in the next group up "small family car". Surely the VW equivalent for the Panda would be the Fox. Plus the Polo stars from £9790 and the Panda £7665 so the equivalent Fiat would be more like the Grande Punto
 
I know what the OP is getting at though. A better review would be a second hand Polo verses a brand new Panda as they would be the same price.

The FIRE engine may be ancient, the Ford Kent engine and so was the A series but they lasted so long because they were great engines.

Some of the modern cars I have driven I would say the MK2 B Clio feels the most like the Panda. I have driven MK3 Clios and they feel horribly heavy and bulky compared to the Panda.

I think most modern supermins are too bloated and the Panda goes back to basics which is great. It is some how very good fun but also easy to drive at the same time.
 
The Fox probably would be a better comparison, but I think that's much worse than the Polo! It sounds like the Panda and Polo are on a very similar level dispite the different price tags.

A better comparison would have been with the 100HP. Both have a 1.4l engine, and it sounds like it would beat the Polo at everything.

Although I have never driven a Polo I have been a passenger in one, and it just felt like another car. Far too much plastic inside IMHO.

I think I know what people mean when they say it sounded like a Ferrari. My old Seicento was probably a bit like that, it would feel like you were driving much faster than your actually were.
 
Renault are advertising the Twingo on TV at the moment and the basic car is just shy of £7k, IIRC. In comparison, for me the Panda wins hands down for being better looking [read "more personality"] and having greater practicality [5 doors rather than 3].
 
The problem with this thread is we are all biased :p

I actually believe the only real competition for the Panda is second hand superminis (Corsas etc) or the Hyundai i10.

The fox is bland not that well built, the Twingo is too expensive to run for a city car but the Panda some how manages to be very refined, well built and reliable. When I drive my Active I don't for any moment feel like I am driving one of the cheapest cars in the UK. It feels better than some of the more expensive cars I have driven.

The i10 is not as good to drive as the Panda but as a lot of things going for it, it was a tough choice but I choose the Panda as it was better to drive and on balance is also better built.
 
sorry I made a mistake, the Polo is not 1.4, it is 1.2, so the same as my Panda

also

check the price tag, this is copied from the Czech dealer:


Polo 1,2

51 kW (70 PS ) 5stupnová 264 900 Czech koruna

that's a bit more power than Panda 1.2 and the same price tag I got for my panda

30 Czech koruna is about 1 Pound


I thought they are comparable as they cost the same. My panda cost as much as my mom's Polo, their engines have about the same power, only Polo 1.2 has a tiny bit more top speed. This Polo accelerates from 0 to 60 mph in 14 seconds, exactly as quickly as my Panda. My Panda cost more than an average 1.1 as it has all kinds of things like air con, sun dome etc. but this Polo has almost the same things, except the sun roof. So I think they come equipped the same more or less. So to me they are in the same class.

As for the sound of the Polo engine, it just sounds like nothing I have heard so far. I don't know why it sounds so loud, but definitely it sounds more modern than Panda. Oddly, Polo's engine seems to be badly noise-isolated from the cabin or I don't know what.

I also compared these cars as I tried to convince my Mom to buy panda but to no avail. She likes the looks and the reputation of the VW.

To sum up, about the same price and same power. That's why I compared them and I see they are very different.
 
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The problem with this thread is we are all biased :p

I actually believe the only real competition for the Panda is second hand superminis (Corsas etc) or the Hyundai i10.

The fox is bland not that well built, the Twingo is too expensive to run for a city car but the Panda some how manages to be very refined, well built and reliable. When I drive my Active I don't for any moment feel like I am driving one of the cheapest cars in the UK. It feels better than some of the more expensive cars I have driven.

The i10 is not as good to drive as the Panda but as a lot of things going for it, it was a tough choice but I choose the Panda as it was better to drive and on balance is also better built.


biased, we usually are, but in my comparison, i only wrote about facts - the feeling of no speed in Polo, is also a fact, it's a real feeling, and most people will confirm that, the laziness is also a fact, you have to rev up the Polo engine to get some power from it, the distance of the gear lever from the wheel is also a fact, etc etc / so everyone can choose if they prefer this or that, quick or slow, loud or quiet, wide or narrow...
 
Oh, so I think I am getting some interesting facts, should have found them before, but I am not such a car expert.

The reason why this Polo I drove sounds and drives so awfully is that it is 3 cylinder engine. That's what makes that odd sound, probably and why it is so loud. My mom only paid for her Polo as little as I paid for my Panda as that Polo equipped with 1.2 three cylinder engine is just as cheap as Panda, that's all.

I only talked her into buying the better engine from those two 1.2 as the cheapest has only 60 PS and would make acceleration a nightmare with some 17 seconds from 0 to 60 mph.

Heres' a quote from a British Polo review:

"Although you'll be very familiar with the throttle stop after a motorway haul - the unit has to work hard to shift 1,015kg of car - the engine is sweet, revving freely and delivering power smoothly. With more muscle than the breathless 1.0-litre it will replace, it is a vastly more rewarding unit to use. The fact that it sounds terrific with a tuneful thrum at high revs is merely a bonus."

So there, to some it sounds terrific, to others, it is loud, to some it sounds like a video game. He says it delivers power smoothly, I don't know, he doesn't say you have to rev it above 4000 rpm to make it come alive. For Panda 2500 is as good as 4000 in that Polo.


 
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Honestly, the A series was not a great engine, it was just reliable and available.

The A series was a brilliant engine for its indended applications though. It only really went wrong when they used it in modern cars like the metro. They did try to replace it in the 70's but they found no matter how they tried they could not build a better engine so they just improved the A series and called it the A+ which had a PSA gearbox instead of the awful sump one.

The FIRE is never going to be a great engine either but it has worked so well in the cars it has been used in and I think its amazing they got 119 CO2 out of a lump which is 25 years old.
 
So do you guys now agree that these cars do compare and are in the same class as they cost the same and have about the same power?

It seems that Polo in Britain, even the cheapes one, is more expensive than in our country, compared to Panda, I don't know why.
 
They are both superminis but the Polo would be classed as a high end supermini. The Polo has a lot more standard safety kit than the Panda and probably has a lot more standard equipment too. Also in the UK at least FIATs have always been sold on the cheap side.
 
so they just improved the A series and called it the A+ which had a PSA gearbox instead of the awful sump one.
It only ever got a decent gearbox in the Maestro (VW not PSA), but since it was in a Maestro that wasn't much consolation. Metros soldiered on with a sump full of swarf.

The sad thing is BMC had a sweet 1 litre 60BHP alloy overhead cam engine in their 9X prototype Mini replacement and that was in 1969. They couldn't make in volume so the A series plodded on.

Anyway, as mentioned in the UK a Polo costs £9k+ so the VW Panda competition come in the form of the Fox.
Why on earth they replaced the rather cute Lupo with that shapeless blob is beyond me. You're best off going by bus.
 
the Polo I drove only has two extra side air bags, so I was comparing cars that have about the same safety equipment, about the same power and about the same price tag

but there is a huge difference between a low-end Polo (with that three cylinder engine, even Panda has four cylinders), which can compare to high-end Panda, and high-end Polo - which is basically a Golf, just a bit smaller
 
VW petrol engines used in their small car ranges are not the most eager or refined - they never have been. They are designed to be driven sedately , using the torque, as opposed to racing to the red line for power. They also tend to be quite harsh sounding when pushed. 3 cylinders are worse still.

What the Polo is good at is a relatively refined drive for 30-50mph areas - it has firm suspension, as all German cars do, to give less body roll but the dowside is a crashiness over potholes. The Panda pogoes along at times, shrugs off the bumps but leans like crazy when pushed in corners (1.2 with skinny tyres).

The quality of the materials is better in the Polo - yes there are some cheap items like the thin boot carpet, but then there are areas of the Panda that are awful too, and cost cutting like no boot light and only one door lock are more obvious.

The gear lever position of the Polo is bound to feel alien to Panda drivers, only a few Honda's have the gearstick in the dash like the Panda.

Panda is a great car for £7-8k new, but i'd take a 12 month old Polo (when available) everytime, if only for the generally more refined and hushed drive, better residuals and slightly better cabin space.

We love our '54 Panda (despite the £720 repair bill on Monday) - it cost me £3.6k 2 years ago as a used approved car, we've added 30k miles in that time, and other than routine servicing incl cambelt, front brakes and 2 tyres which would happen to any car, the only real expense has been the engine ecu failure (which could again happen to any car, although i think Italian ecus are more fragile than German ones !).

Its probably worth £2k part ex now, so in real terms its been a cheap car - £130 / month or 10p/mile (plus fuel and insurance)


When you look at the Polo list prices compared to Fiesta, which it its true competitor, then its a bargain (and you can get 9% off the Polo, so even big discounts on the Ford dont fully close the gap).
 
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