Tuning Panda 100hp Induction kit

[lacey_punto]

hi all

i have brought a full custom induction kit for my panda 100HP

it has a piece of pipe with a hole in it about half way up for the "Vacuum pick up" pipe to go into



i assume its this pipe -



Does this pipe need to be fitted to the induction kit pipe or can it be capped? i do have caps supplied as well, which is where my confusion comes from

also the Actual Filter itself is caged in a metal surround with the cold air hole at the top

do we think it better to cut half the shell away so heat is still blocked from the back end of the kit, while cold air is being brought straight towards the filter, like this -



thanks

 

[dave]

It should feed back into induction. some put a little filter on the end but its not really a good idea. but dont cap it its to let crank case breathe

 

[lacey_punto]

Cheers for that dave

do we need some pics as i do it for a tutorial or do we already have one...i couldnt find one when posting the thread originally

Any thoughts on the actual filter itself regarding placement etc?

Thank you

 

[lacey_punto]

hey again

just thought i would post my thoughts on this from testing the induction kit this weekend

Tested the kit as a full closed induction with cold air feed - Good noise on acceleration, car felt sluggish up through the gears

tested as a normal induction kit with and without heat shield on placed in front of cold air inlet - big noise gain....less performance

tested with a CDA induction cone (borrowed, cleaned and oiled to manufacturers specifications)...still slower

all pipes are replaced with good silicone hoses that are ultra smooth on the inside so there is no restriction on airflow at all

Result - Going back to standard airbox with a good clean paper filter. unless theres a good tested panel filter (PiperX, K&N, green cotton) OEM replacement i should know about???!!!

 

[jusdel30]

BMC CDA hands down best all round

 

[lacey_punto]

the BMC CDA was good on cold. as soon as the engine got up to heat, there was a decrease in power.


i believe the 100hp engine is not big enough to feel the full benefits of such a big change to the way air is introduced. On larger engines, its a must to use an induction kit etc....smaller cars...not so much!

 

[babbo_umbro]

the BMC CDA was good on cold. as soon as the engine got up to heat, there was a decrease in power.


i believe the 100hp engine is not big enough to feel the full benefits of such a big change to the way air is introduced. On larger engines, its a must to use an induction kit etc....smaller cars...not so much!

Don't begin to understand this comment - any potential gain in induction efficiency depends solely on how restrictive the original setup is. Why would the size of the engine be a governing factor?

On a modern engine, any induction kit that's going to make a significant difference - and I doubt if any of them would - would require a remap - and we've already seen repeatedly that the 100HP's ecu is not amenable.

 

[lacey_punto]

thank you for the clearance on this "minefield" babbo

i do agree with you that it depends on how restrictive the original system is...turns out on an 100HP...its actually really good!

i have one more test with a full silicone hose custom made design with closed induction and full heat shielding on the filter and pipework. same setup as a GSR kit...but with more heat resistance

will report back soon!

 

[lacey_punto]

as promised...

Dual layer heat shielded induction filter casing with mirror finish (supposed to reflect more heat!)

Ash Silicone 70-50mm reducer (very tight fit and siliconed for extra measures)

reducer goes into flexible dual layer silicone hosing, heat treated with steel spiral, 50mm diameter

Ash silicone reducer on t'other side 50mm to 45mm (siliconed and will be siliconed when placed in air intake hole where the original airbox pipe is situated


here we have a full, tight seal air intake into a heat shielded chamber. being fitted on saturday morning then taken for a thrape round for an hour. eagerly awaiting performance and noise results!

 

[lacey_punto]

the day has arrived...was a pig to fit. not really much room left under the engine now!

been for a 30 min drive with varied roads and time for engine to warm up

Less induction noise overall....still got a feint whoosh noise as air is sucked up (it sucks up loads, put your hand over the pipe and rev....wow!)

a lot more smoother through the rev range...does feel slightly more sluggish than standard lower down the gears...but i feel it needs time to adapt etc

 

[babbo_umbro]

I'm not too keen on those sharp bends in the tubing, they're going to cause all sorts of disturbance in the incoming air, with air on the inside and outside of each bend speeding up and slowing down, and that's without the effect of any reflections you're going to get off the virtual blockage on the outside of each bend. Sorry to be brutal but I'm sure this needs a total rethink.

In what way would the system be capable of adapting?

 

[lacey_punto]

thanks for the thoughts

well the induction kit cannot go any further back due to the vacuum pipe still in the way

i could extend the vacuum pipe (silicone piping again!) so the kit can go further back in the engine...giving an almost straight air pipe that way?

would mean more silicone pipe at the other end of the filter with a hole in it for the vacuum pipe to fit in.

do you feel this will make a diffrence? it does suck like a beast but there no way of knowing if its going to the right place or not!

 

[The Pretender]

This is a better solution IMHO.

http://www.redpoint.co.jp/topics/20090527184741.html

 

[The Pretender]

Here when installed.

 

[babbo_umbro]

There you have it - 1000% better than those two sharp bends. I'm still not sure how much actual gain in performance this set up will deliver, but at least it looks right and stands a chance.

 

[Demi]

Man... I'd love to get one of them one day!
But cant find any info on the gain from CDA's. Would be nice to have 120-125hp from CDA, Unichip and sporty exhaust combo... thou
oh yeah and a fake turbo dump valve sound, don't want the real one just yet as don't want to be killed by my insurance company.

 

[lacey_punto]

i didnt feel any gains in the CDA i tested on mine with my driving style. Other people have found differences in performance with their driving styles. best to try one for a while and see for yourself with the proper manufacturers instructions and usage guidelines

i agree that with the full setup (exhaust etc) i will probably notice a difference.

you get what you pay for with this kind of thing i have found. well worth a watch of the youtube vid - induction kits mythbusted. 90% of them just produce a louder noise with no significant power gains at all.

im looknig at placing the filter much further back and making the pipe straight and less restrictive on mine as per bubba's comments...again watch this space!

 

[Panda73315]

Hi, I'm new to this forum I have a 100hp with a K&N induction kit in it, I found a definite improvement in prefomance, just wandering where you got your red silicone hosing from?

 

[lacey_punto]

welcome to the forum!

thats good to hear that you got a performance difference. for my driving style, noticed a decrease in lower down pull...not good for when i drive around hilly sheffield!

i got the pipe from ebay. search for "2 ply air ducting" about 12 quid a meter

they do it in black and red...really good quality hosing

 

[lacey_punto]

well...what an adventure into the world of induction kits

all the options ive tried and im back to the original setup with a cleaned out airbox and a new paper filter. Much more responsive and overall better MPG and less noise also

all the custom options and the BMC were no good for my everyday driving style and road types.

just a thing to bear in mind - the fiat dealers in my area wanted £104 + VAT for the airpipe that i was looking for to go back to standard

MUCH cheaper to buy a piece of custom pipe and fit your kit to that. DO NOT destroy the manufacturers piece...it will cost if you do not see any gains from your induction kit