Hi all, we bought a 1.2 lounge in november it is 6 months old and done 3000 miles. The problem is it will not go above 38 mpg where as before we had a 2010 1.2 easy that never went below 43 mpg has anyone else had this problem or know what to do to improve this.it dos not seem to have a lot of get up and go and doesn't seem to tick over smoothly. Any help please.
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Its a bigger car.. so wont be quite the same..
however it does sound like it needs to go back into the dealer network.
You can use any FIAT network dealer for warranty work
Charlie
Its a bigger car..
so wont be quite the same.. however it does sound like it needs to go back into the dealer network.
You can use any FIAT network dealer for warranty work
Charlie
I've a new lounge bought last June and I get an average of 50mpg and that's all short runs (less than 9 miles but usually 5 miles)
Cold weather will slant figures for a November purchase..
but it sounds sick.. so it should be attended to
but it sounds sick.. so it should be attended to
Do let us know what is found
Well just had a call from Fiat garage had the panda all day been out on 2 road tests but can't find a problem which is about what i expected really. He said they had plugged it into the computer and it came up with no fault code's.It is a pity there are no decent mechanic's about these day's that can only read fault code's and fit new part's the day's of finding the problem and fixing it are long gone.So very disappointed wish we had kept old panda now might look to change it for something else.
Thats disappointing..
As you said... 'no faults showing'
Doesnt mean fault free
Before giving up.. drive another..
just to ensure you are comparing
'apples with apples'
Charlie
As you said... 'no faults showing'
Doesnt mean fault free
Before giving up.. drive another..
just to ensure you are comparing
'apples with apples'
Charlie
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It's all down to the Euro 6 tune. The 1.2 Euro 6 has to be on the edge of being too lean, even differing fuels can make a difference. Oddly both my 1.2 lounge and the 1.2 City cross run better on Morrisons fuel than any other I have tried. I went to great pains to make the Lounge less hesitant. For me the improvement was to fit Iridium Plugs and the oil catch tank as it kept the MAP sensor dry!!!
The lounge was more economic than the City Cross giving nearly 50mpg average wheras the the City cross can only manage 43mpg.
It's all down to the Euro 6 tune. The 1.2 Euro 6 has to be on the edge of being too lean, even differing fuels can make a difference. Oddly both my 1.2 lounge and the 1.2 City cross run better on Morrisons fuel than any other I have tried. I went to great pains to make the Lounge less hesitant. For me the improvement was to fit Iridium Plugs and the oil catch tank as it kept the MAP sensor dry!!!
The lounge was more economic than the City Cross giving nearly 50mpg average wheras the the City cross can only manage 43mpg.
Hi thank's for the input, i am going to drive a friend on Friday it,s a 2017 but same model. Also on the fuel side since we have had it used Sainsbury's fuel same as we have in previous Panda's but did give it a tank of Shell last week which i think may have improved it. Since we have had it never done better than 38/39 MPG so as i say disappointing after the last one never dropped below 43.
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We have a 1.2 Lounge 2014 with now 32000 on the clock. It was rough running for some time and eventually threw up a fault which has been repaire.
It ended up no starting well too. It required a new evaporation canister and solenoid. This is a job that a dealer will charge £400-500 to fix!! I do't know if its a regular issue with the 1.2 or if your has a similar fault or not, but I would write in to your dealer and send it recorded delivery saying if a similar fault occurs down the line that you will be referring back to this issue and ask them to respond in writing to say they have noted it.
My error said "air leakage inlet manifold". This believe was causing the MAF sensor to alter teh fuelling to compensate and hence the rough running.
Our car at worst does 44mpg on the computer and on a run does 55-63 with ease. Since the repair it has gone back to this level of consumption. The best range figure I have seen so far on the dash is 502 miles! Less in reality.
Do bear in mind that one fuel read out on the dash may be less accurate than another and the cars may actually perform similarly in reality. I suggest you do a brim to brim check for a few tanks and double check if your dash readout is telling the truth.
I hope you get it sorted.
PS I did check Shell petrol with a company car few years back and it did give enough extra to justify the cost difference compared with supermarket fuels, 3-4 mpg if I remember rightly.
It ended up no starting well too. It required a new evaporation canister and solenoid. This is a job that a dealer will charge £400-500 to fix!! I do't know if its a regular issue with the 1.2 or if your has a similar fault or not, but I would write in to your dealer and send it recorded delivery saying if a similar fault occurs down the line that you will be referring back to this issue and ask them to respond in writing to say they have noted it.
My error said "air leakage inlet manifold". This believe was causing the MAF sensor to alter teh fuelling to compensate and hence the rough running.
Our car at worst does 44mpg on the computer and on a run does 55-63 with ease. Since the repair it has gone back to this level of consumption. The best range figure I have seen so far on the dash is 502 miles! Less in reality.
Do bear in mind that one fuel read out on the dash may be less accurate than another and the cars may actually perform similarly in reality. I suggest you do a brim to brim check for a few tanks and double check if your dash readout is telling the truth.
I hope you get it sorted.
PS I did check Shell petrol with a company car few years back and it did give enough extra to justify the cost difference compared with supermarket fuels, 3-4 mpg if I remember rightly.
Hi all. Well i drove my mates 2017 panda on Friday it did not really have a lot more get up and go, but his mpg readout said 46.8 when we left his house we did about 110 miles him driving some and me driving some we did not hang around but only on good fast A roads no motorway and i had to push the panda hard to keep up on the way home, when we got back still reading 46.8 so i don't know what to think.
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Things to check. Are the brakes binding at all, are the tyres at the correct pressure, is the boot full of heavy tools? All of this effects MPG and performance. Cold weather and driving on really wet roads effect MPG. To be fair at 3000 miles in nearly three years I'd say the engine could be tight still or even a bit carboned up as could be the exhaust. Give it some abuse and then do a tank to tank full test on paper rather than believe the readout.
Things to check. Are the brakes binding at all, are the tyres at the correct pressure, is the boot full of heavy tools? All of this effects MPG and performance. Cold weather and driving on really wet roads effect MPG. To be fair at 3000 miles in nearly three years I'd say the engine could be tight still or even a bit carboned up as could be the exhaust. Give it some abuse and then do a tank to tank full test on paper rather than believe the readout.
The computer’s calculations for mpg, I seem to recall seeing somewhere are based in part on previous journeys and driving styles and it gives a more accurate reading the more it ‘understands’ your driving. Infrequent use (less than 12000 miles a year) and short journeys will lead to a worse calculated figure. Only true way to tell is filling the tank to the brim and noting the mileage (reset the trip counter), drive 300+ miles, then re-brim the tank and do the maths with the mileage.
If you need it, maths is:
miles driven between tank fills
divided by
(litres of fuel added divided by 4.545)
If you need it, maths is:
miles driven between tank fills
divided by
(litres of fuel added divided by 4.545)
Crucial there is checking the tyre pressures. Just a couple of psi down will make fuel consumption a lot worse.
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A 2017 car is not the same model as the same trimmed 2019 one. The engine management was altered around September 2018 to achieve better results (ie more accurate) in the new real world tests (the WLTP tests). To meet the more stringent test of carbon emissions (as CO2), poorer fuel economy seems to come as a result. (My 2018 1.3 diesel struggles to reach 54mpg, but the 2013 car never dropped below 58...). Something as simple as a different brand of tyre can affect things a lot too.
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Yup - same answerOr times 0.22 I believe.
Thank's for all the reply's. Yes i had a feeling that the 2017 was a different engine set up to the 2019, but as i tried to explain to the numpty at fiat it feel's as though the engine is being held back it want's to go but it can't. Oh well as he said they had no fault code's come up so it must be ok. I do check Tyre pressure every week and have nothing in the boot.But as i say thank's for all reply's.
