Technical Panda 1.1 Wiring Question

[tony2220064]

Hello everyone!

I'm in the process of messing around with my little Panda, and I've discovered some wires next to the handbrake - please see pic attached. Does anyone know what they do, or where they terminate? I'd like to add some fog lights to my car, and these connectors are in the perfect place. If they run into the engine bay or fron fuse box that would be perfect!

Or could someone point me towards the wiring diagram for a Panda 1.1?

I've included a little pic of my Panda since I'm new to the forum


Thanks!

 

[varesecrazy]

They are likely to be for the 12v socket.. cigar lighter

There is a GUIDE for that
Charlie

 

[tony2220064]

No both of them? Surely the 12V socket is only a 2 pin connector. Also, the wiring is worryingly thing for a 12V socket

 

[09 johno]

I connector s for the 12v socket that sits on an accessory plate above it, be aware that not all 1.1 have the wiring fully connected or fused, mine didn't.
The other connector I believe is for central locking, again it may not be connected or fused.

 

[portland_bill]

The wiring is also for the electric mirrors, as that's where they put the adjuster switch.

There have been several threads with people wishing to fit a 12v socket, and have found the wiring there. But in many cases, the wiring does not connect to the fusebox, and there are no terminals at the fusebox, so all you've got is a loom going nowhere.

If you want to fit your own foglights, you'll need to run all the wires yourself. Don't try to use anything already there, as any current on incorrect wires may upset the CANBus system.

 

[varesecrazy]

No both of them? Surely the 12V socket is only a 2 pin connector. Also, the wiring is worryingly thing for a 12V socket

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-guides/284628-how-install-original-12v-power-socket-fiat-panda.html

 

[tony2220064]

OK, thanks for all the answers gents! My fuse box does not have the terminals fitted for these accessories, which makes me wonder where the heck do the wires go?! I used to design automotive harnesses for a living, and I cannot understand what the heck FIAT have done there. I'm also shocked at the wire guage they used for the 12V socket - I assume it's limited to a 10A fuse.

Anyway, yes it looks like I'll be running the wires myself through the bulk head - really didn't want to do that.

Thanks again!

 

[09 johno]

Its just a standard harness the polish factory fitted to all cars no matter what the spec.
the spec being decided further down the production line.

 

[tony2220064]

Its just a standard harness the polish factory fitted to all cars no matter what the spec.
the spec being decided further down the production line.

Yes, I understand that. But where do these wires terminate? They are not just laying loose in the harness. The interior connectors are populated, so those wires go somewere.

In modern production, a generic harness is used and the unused components for that model are plugged/blanked. There's no good way to terminate the other end, so we blank it off. The Panda appears to have wires running to nowhere (or at least not to the fuse box).

 

[chris3234]

Yes, I understand that. But where do these wires terminate? They are not just lproaying loose in the harness. The interior connectors are populated, so those wires go somewere.

In modern production, a generic harness is used and the unused components for that model are plugged/blanked. There's no good way to terminate the other end, so we blank it off. The Panda appears to have wires running to nowhere (or at least not to the fuse box).

Probably to the fusebox/bcu connectors
But the fusebox itself is missing the fuse holder and associated circuitry itself

 

[cingur]

Loving this thread, I think this is a very interesting discussion

 

[koalar]

yep the three pin one could go anywhere. I have a 05 dynamic that goes to the fusebox and relay in the engine bay. An 06 active that goes to the fuse box in the engine Bay again but the relay is in the footwell.

Seen another active missing the wires to the fuse box.


one peculiar "feature" if you only replace the missing fuse but not the relay the socket becomes live if you switch the headlights on.

 

[A3jeroen]

There is a rubber gromet in what would be the passengers footwell. Pretty high up. From the engineside just under the duckbill.

gr J

 

[varesecrazy]

Loving this thread, I think this is a very interesting discussion

Most of which has been covered before..

The forum is FULL of great information

And the SEARCH feature usually finds it : - )

 

[tony2220064]

Most of which has been covered before..

The forum is FULL of great information

And the SEARCH feature usually finds it : - )

That's very condescending - especially to a new memeber. And no, it's not been covered before because no one seems to know where these wires are terminated. It's all well and good saying 'fusebox' but if the fusebox is not fitted with the fuse and relay terminals, the wires do not terminate there. It's hardly rocket science.

A lot (most) of info in this forum is half baked or incorrect and is just blindly repeated to give people the sense of authority or superiority. I'm just here to find where a wire goes, and no one can tell me.


But that's fine, I'll pull the multimeter out at the weekend and find where they terminate myself.

 

[tony2220064]

There is a rubber gromet in what would be the passengers footwell. Pretty high up. From the engineside just under the duckbill.

gr J

That's genuinely helpful, thank you!

 

[koalar]

check the inside of the fuse box cover for location. Some cars its F85 and relay 31 but my two cars are completely different


if F85 has its little prongs present it may only need a fuse to become live..


http://thepoorestcompany.blogspot.com/2011/10/installing-12v-power-socket-in-fiat.html

 

[chris3234]

That's very condescending - especially to a new memeber. And no, it's not been covered before because no one seems to know where these wires are terminated. It's all well and good saying 'fusebox' but if the fusebox is not fitted with the fuse and relay terminals, the wires do not terminate there. It's hardly rocket science.

A lot (most) of info in this forum is half baked or incorrect and is just blindly repeated to give people the sense of authority or superiority. I'm just here to find where a wire goes, and no one can tell me.


But that's fine, I'll pull the multimeter out at the weekend and find where they terminate myself.

Well they can connect to the fusebox but then have nothing beyond the fusebox connector
Which is what I'm assuming they will do

 

[09 johno]

That's very condescending - especially to a new member.

A lot (most) of info in this forum is half baked or incorrect and is just blindly repeated to give people the sense of authority or superiority. I'm just here to find where a wire goes, and no one can tell me.
.

Strange statement when people are trying to help you. (who's actually being condescending :bang
from the answers received, you can deduce that all Panda's, even of the same age and type, are wired differently therefore there is no definitive answer to your original question ie where do the wires go.
I wired a fused supply from the battery via a relay to a socket using the aforementioned grommet for the pos wire, I wired the neg to the earth point under the centre dashboard console, I dare say others have wired theirs differently or had the socket etc fitted from new.

 

[tony2220064]

It's not a strange statement, as varesecrazy was not trying to help me, he was pointing towards a guide (which isn't useful or relevant) and telling me to use the search function (which I have). He posted nothing of worth and only did so to try and appear "in the know". I'm not sure he even read or understood my original question.

I don't know if English is your first language (it's not mine), but here is a good description of what condescending means https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/condescending.

Also, it's insane to believe that they are all 'wired differently'. How the hell would you productionise that? No, there's a few different wiring configurations - likely as FIAT continued to better control costs - and only 1 of the configurations we seem to know.

I've pin pointed everything with my multimeter now, so I know where these connectors terminate and they should be easy to use for a clean installation. If you look to have the same wiring configuration as me, I'll point you towards the SEARCH function as this forum is full of useful information