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Panda My New 2009 100HP

Introduction

A bit of background:

I was looking to replace my VW Golf 1.8T after 13 years of ownership. It has been recently hit up the backside and consequently written off. I was offered a paltry amount of £800 for it which gave me a bit of a reality check - why was I paying £450 a year insurance for a heavily modified car to only be offered that?

Also I have been in the modified car scene for quite a while now in various cars ranging from an Escort RS Turbo, a Fiesta XR2 (both of which I bitterly regret selling considering market prices nowadays) to my current Mk4 Golf GTI and have realised I'm spending more and more over the years and not really getting anything back. Plus I'm getting old now (40) :p

So the decision was made to buy the Golf back and it is now waiting to be broken for parts which when sold should be more than enough to cover a new car. Which brings me to the Panda...

I know what the Panda is like as a car as my wife owns a 1.2 Dynamic ECO which has been absolutely good as gold over the past few years. So the hunt was on.

EBay turned up what I think is a lovely example of a Panda 100HP from Newcastle. It was a bit of a trek bearing in mind I live 350 miles and a stretch of water away from the sellers address so I was really hoping it lived up to expectations when I went to view the car yesterday.

The seller was very honest and pointed out the very few faults it had and what he has fixed over the last year as the owner. He'd spent a fair bit sorting out the main niggles that come with the 100HP; a Bilstien B12 kit had been fitted along with a Coupe bumpstops, new top mounts, ARB bushes, track rod ends, drop links and an Ulter backbox as the old one had rotted out. He also fitted a set of Abarth 500 seats as the standard ones didn't agree with him.

This and the 4 fairly new Goodyear tyres, FSH and only 56k on the clocks swayed it for me and made the 350 mile catamaran, bus, train, plane, car and ferry journey (in that order, all in 12 hours) worth it.

The car is currently parked on my brothers driveway as I am waiting for everything to be sorted out with my Golf and while it's there he is going to give it a good machine polish and a nice wax as he's into all that where I am not :D

I do have a few plans for it but nothing too serious; I have already bought a Fiat 500 Abarth steering wheel and airbag to replace the worn standard wheel, I will get some 3D gel number plates made up when I transfer my private plate over with some surrounds, a new interior mirror as the one in there is a bit scabby, a Euro drivers rear light, paint the calipers red and some silver bulbs all round for the indicators. My Kenwood headunit will also make an appearance at some point.

Anyways enough of my waffling, attached are some pics from the eBay listing.
Shop4parts have nothing unfortunately

Also just tried the dealers, they could only supply me 20 of the pins!

Anyways all ordered from allcarpartsfast now
 
Item 6 does look like the shift shaft oil seal.

You will also need a new roll pin (not shown in image). The old one has to be knocked out to dismantle the shifter mechanism. The pin on mine was broken in two!, They clearly they take a beating so reusing an original would not be wise, even if it looked OK.

I packed my oil seal with high temperature grease in the hopes that added lubricant will keep it happy for longer.
 
Well it seems I can't get the pin unless I buy 20.

Group buy anyone?

Yes that's the one I'm looking for, it appears I have ordered the wrong number. I might just cancel the whole order at this rate, how hard can it be to find 2 parts!
 
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Does 23mm length sound about right to anyone that has changed one?

That does sound about right. But if you are unsure get a longer one and cut it down with an angle grinder or Dremel disc.
PS - You will need a pin punch to remove it.

Just found a seal for £4 so that'll do me [emoji106]
Can you post the seal details when you have them. ePER is handy but often isn't working (just checked - it's still having a wobbler).
 
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I too have just acquired a Panda 100hp, and found your reports fascinating! Please tell me more about the Novitec throttle box, that looks like something I would love. I found this whilst searching, anybody know anything about it?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-Chip-...gv=DefaultOrganic&_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940

I am also interested in modifying the suspension - I only drove my new acquisition about 40 miles, but had to check my fillings after every unseen pothole! I only managed 40 miles, because I went over a protruding pavement kerb - not too high either - at about 30 mph, and blew out both my nearside tyres. At 1am in the heavy rain of storm Alex. Nightmare trying to get home, 70 miles away, no spare tyre, phone battery all but dead and the RAC rescue telling me I wasn't covered for their breakdown service because hitting a kerb is a ROAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, not covered by their normal recovery service. Just what you want to hear in the middle of a rainstorm miles from home!
So please, tell me more about your throttle box, where can I buy it, and what suspension mods you'd recommend!
 
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I hit a 3x2 on the M5, taking out two tyres and dinged the wheels. There where already a bit out-of-round but now they were properly **ed.

I fitted some Pepperpot steels and painted them with "stainless steel" colour. It's faded a bit so now looks almost the same as the Grigio grey body colour. I might waft over some lighter silver - maybe. They are low cost and do suit the car.

Tyres 195-50-R15 will fit and you'll have the speedo reading dead on correct. That extra side wall improves the ride and rough road impact abiity.

OEM springs on 100HP are simply cut down ordinary Panda springs making them appreciably harder. The OM bump stops are longer to limit body roll.

Febi bump stops sold for the Fiat Coupe do a better job and improve wheel travel. I also fitted Fiat 500 rear springs with the top rubber cushions on both ends. This considerably improves the ride and on less than perfect road improves the handling.

Front struts and rear dampers - with the budget, you can do what you like but avoid going for stiffer springs. My fronts will be getting OEM struts and 1.4 Fiat 500 springs. I got a pair cheap so if they dont work the OEM 100HP springs can go back on.

So my advice at the back is 500 springs with rubber buffers on top and bottom. Use shorter bump stops and fit 50 series tyres all round.
 
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Thanks DaveMcT!

As it happens, the tyres are all 195/50/15's. I'll have to shop around for some 500 springs; are the rubber buffers sold separately?

Any thoughts on how to lower the driver's seat? I should maybe start a new thread instead of stealing this one...sorry!
 
My driver's seat has a pump action lever at one side. It initially pumps one way when it's full up or full down.

I got the rear springs on eBay and just kept an eye out for a pair complete with rubbers. That with the ones on the car do the job.

I do have a pair of 500 front springs which I have yet to fit. The car could do with new front shocks but Ive not got around to doing the job. Are they suitable? My bet is yes, but at £20 the pair it wasn't a huge gamble.

My wife's 1.2 Dynamic has the 500 axle (integral anti roll bar) and 500 springs. It's a great improvement BUT it's too wide for anything more than 165 wheels. If you want one of those on a 100HP you'll need some jigs and careful cutting and welding. It's "doable" but not a job for the faint-hearted or someone learning to weld. :eek:
 
I have no garage to work in, and only a basic tool kit, plus I am hopeless at diy! I can't even think of what the Febi bump stop looks like, never mind find it on the web! I would have to pay a garage to fit the items, I just wanted to know what to get, and even a little help with links to find them! :confused:
 
In that case keep it standard. However eBay is handy.

This is the Fiat Coupe rear bump stop
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bump-Sto...668440&hash=item4dadc39fc5:g:pykAAOSwFlpfGgYV

These are 500 rear springs complete with rubbers.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-500...399391?hash=item4451ef161f:g:9bUAAOSwh-JeIGM-

Fitting them is remove two bolts (shock absorber tops) to lower the axle and swap the parts. Jack axle back up replace the bolts (be VERY careful they dont cross thread) and it's done. The hardest job is jacking up and securing the car for which garages have all the kit. The labour costs should be minimal.

By the way make sure the garage use slotted blocks on the sill jacking points. They have a welded flange along the bottom that many garages ignore so they get bent leading to rust and worse.
 
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I have a hockey Puck with a slot cut out of it for this precise reason!

No worries about asking stuff, just glad someone is taking an interest in what I do.

As for suspension I don't have a clue what the standard stuff feels like as the Eibach/Bilstein combo is what the car came with. All I know is its considerably more comfortable than my Golf ever was, but that was in the weeds on coilovers.

Anyways today I sorted a job I've been putting off for a while; the gear shifter seal.

Followed the guide on here and although I probably took much longer than I should have done it wasn't as bad as expected.

The seal was absolutely knackered though. It's definitely the source of my leak as everything around it is completely covered in grime. In hindsight it would have been so much easier just to wait and do my short shifter at the same time...

All back together now so that should be the end of it. I might jet wash off the crap at some point.

Just one thing, the bite on my clutch is now very low. I'm assuming this is because I took the slave cylinder off? Will it need bleeding? I can change gears fine, I just looked like a learner when I pulled away earlier and instantly stalled it

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Wazzzer! I am fascinated by all your upgrades/repairs, all the more so as I am incapable of doing any of them at the moment.

So what are the Eibach/Bilstein combo springs like? I believe I have the standard ones fitted - I haven't actually looked, but from the less than smooth ride I'm getting, is a good guess! I've ordered the Febi bumpo stop and 500 springs as recommended by DaveMcT in an act of faith to improve the ride. I also added a chip box bought on eBay, as let's face it, the performance is hardly up to hot hatch expectations...however, without a base usage to gauge it by, I will have no idea if the performance is better by much or not.

I'm just collecting advice and knowledge, and appreciate any and all feedback to improve my little car!
 
It's a warm hatch :) If you want a hot hatch you'll need to get the Abarth 500. The 500 shares much of the chassis structure, suspension engine, etc with the Panda.
 
Wazzzer it's likely you clutch needs bleeding. Annoyingly the battery and it's box have to come out to get at the job. The hydraulic pipe is held into the cylinders with little hair-pin clips ease them out with a screwdriver but be very careful they dont fly away.

You can then ease out the connector, clean up any corrosion and grease with red rubber grease. If it's seized (very likely at slave) you will eventually need a new cylinder. They can be as cheap as £30 so dont get ripped off. The bleed nipple is a standard metric allen hex but they corrode. You will need to properly clean out the hex before the key will fit. Mine had been butchered by someone too lazy to bother.

Looking on eBay Car parts4Less and Euro Car parts the master cylinder with pipe is silly money £175 and above. See my thread about clutch master only.
 
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