Cinquecento my green cinq project.

[sei16v]

This will be one to watch... Prepare yourself for a load of bullsh*te tho!! I done the c20xe conversion back in '09 and it was a tight one...

You going to have to trim/chop the chassis legs... as the engine looks a bit of a similar size...? Also will you be getting problems with the brake servo... as your engine sits the opposite way, so im guessing the inlet might be a prob?

The shafts, if you have the ones with the gearbox, and the ones from the car.. Send both sets with measurements to DAVE MAC in coventry... Great service, and guaranteed

 

[blu73]

so is that what would be found in a prelude bb1?? Sorry i'm not up on all these vtec engines.. My mate has a del sol with the b16a engine, is a great little car tbh and almost exactly same speed as my PuntoGT (until the sol hits its silly japanese speed limiter obviously)

 

[centoproject]

the plans are to make a new front end frame for it no cutting up the bay plus you need a lot more strength in the front end for when the vtec kicks in yo :slayer:
and as for the servo everything is properly going to be put in a pedal box

 

[ycming]

I am in work so can't see the picture, from this statement:

"imported from japan this is an official jdm engine and gearbox with shafts and all ancillaries ported and polished done by honda technicians"

Only the JDM B18c had that treatment. Is it that ?

The prelude H22 didn't, regardless if it is JDM or not .

Ming

 

[centoproject]

so is that what would be found in a prelude bb1?? Sorry i'm not up on all these vtec engines.. My mate has a del sol with the b16a engine, is a great little car tbh and almost exactly same speed as my PuntoGT (until the sol hits its silly japanese speed limiter obviously)

its from a prelude mk 4 and 5 its 2.2 l they also did a 2.3 (stroker to create the extra 100cc ) there are quite a few variations of the h22a the one without numbers at the end is full jdm (japanese domestic market)

 

[centoproject]

I am in work so can't see the picture, from this statement:

"imported from japan this is an official jdm engine and gearbox with shafts and all ancillaries ported and polished done by honda technicians"

Only the JDM B18c had that treatment. Is it that ?

The prelude H22 didn't, regardless if it is JDM or not .

Ming

i was looking on a wright up yesterday with all the information i will find it in a min but yes it did in a se or something model i will find for you to have a gander at

hear is the link i was given by the seller http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/honda/preludes/

 

[BlueDan]

plus you need a lot more strength in the front end for when the vtec kicks in yo :slayer:

 

[sei16v]

the plans are to make a new front end frame for it no cutting up the bay plus you need a lot more strength in the front end for when the vtec kicks in yo :slayer:
and as for the servo everything is properly going to be put in a pedal box

Where have you taken the measurements of the bay from? Reason i ask is the horns are a funny shape as they get lower, giving next to no room... I had to remove practially one of the legs and replace with bar-work all around the engine bay to re-strengthen it... Looking back at it i could have done it better, but the point is i could not get the engine in as its was..

This was the room i had to play with (as you can see the leg was practially non existant on one side)....

And another pic of the engine in place... Sure your block built up could be a tad wider?

 

[centoproject]

i have a complete list of mesurments of a cinqs bay taking more or less everything into account i can supply them if you wish ?

 

[centoproject]

Sure your block built up could be a tad wider?

oh yeh this engine is big honda boys don't like using them there so big from what i have read but i don't se there being much of a problem the stock with of engine and box is 92cm including pulley

 

[sei16v]

i have a complete list of mesurments of a cinqs bay taking more or less everything into account i can supply them if you wish ?

Yea, would be interesting to know what you got measurement wise. My measurements are on here on the 'measuring engine bay for redtop' or a thread along them lines lol.

The horn to horn measurement is a lot narrower than if its just measured at the easy to get to parts haha.

Can't wait to see this get started lol

 

[sei16v]

My measurements are halfway down this page

https://www.fiatforum.com/cinquecen...to-engine-bay-size-calculating-2-0-16v-3.html

 

[centoproject]

Length longest point = 50cm at a push

With from stock engine mounting points = 70cm
Then widest point = 75cm

Distance from space saver tire on the floor to the sutle panel 75cm

Then distance from space saver to bonnet latch = 50cm

Full lock wheel distance from chassis leg to tire = 10cm

Distance from stock engine configuration from nearside wheel no lock to the tip of box = 10cm

 

[ycming]

Honda boys don't use it because it needs different mounts and is heavier compare to the B series. I know you got the engine now, but i still stand by a B16 would be better to use.

There is a Sei in poland that is running a B16 at the front and looks like a really tidy conversion!

Ming

 

[centoproject]

My measurements are halfway down this page

https://www.fiatforum.com/cinquecen...to-engine-bay-size-calculating-2-0-16v-3.html

interesting measurements im working on a cad file atm to scale things but things are looking like a tube frame at the front and to compensate for the weight gained by the new front end frame ive got something lined up for the front bodywork and i will tie in the front end frame with a full roll cage should be strong

 

[centoproject]

Honda boys don't use it because it needs different mounts and is heavier compare to the B series. I know you got the engine now, but i still stand by a B16 would be better to use.

There is a Sei in poland that is running a B16 at the front and looks like a really tidy conversion!

Ming

tbh the weight of this h22 is similar to the stock 1.2 / 1.1 due to alloy construction but the refence weight of a b16 for the honda boys is obvs going to be lighter if there both alloy construction

from what i was looking on on the honda forums they were on about it weighing a tone so i was like this thing is going to be a nightmair to move about but lifted it straight away its not light but not far of the 899

 

[ycming]

tbh the weight of this h22 is similar to the stock 1.2 / 1.1 due to alloy construction but the refence weight of a b16 for the honda boys is obvs going to be lighter if there both alloy construction

Hmmm what is the difference in weight ? How much is similar. I think is still around 50-75kg ish difference (including the box)

Ming

 

[centoproject]

notto far off tbh i can weigh it tomorrow if you wish but i have no reference weight of the 899 or 1.1 and the box dosnt weight much different either and dont forget this h22 has heavy ish balance shaft

 

[blu73]

i have spoken to Ming many times about doing a B16 cento, i still think its probably the best engine for the project as well tbh.. jdm b16a is like 170bhp which from the very limited stuff i have read about the h22 (since you posted y'day) its not really much more powerful at all and has lower redline. But having said all that - the extra weight may help traction (a bit, not alot, but a bit lol)

Not trying to dissuade you at all, just throwing thoughts out there

 

[fingers99]

Weightwise, I think someone posted the weights of the FIRE engines. A search here -- or just, maybe at Cento Rebels, should find it.