That's obviously a sensible view to take
Technical Me Vs. The Flood...guess who won? Help needed!
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Technical Me Vs. The Flood...guess who won? Help needed!
:yeahthat:My thoughts exactly. I dont run a GSR but a BMC fed through the bumper, and thats down pretty low - never had any issues yet.
As always, common sense prevails..
I used to live near an undepass where flooding regularly occured. Whenever it was flooded I took the long way.
It was most of the time not more than a foot. But in the 5 years used to live there over 200 cars I have seen died in there.
In some incidents it might not be possible to avoid deep water. In this case I would disconnect the air intake whether OE or modified and drive through the unknown depth and afterwoods attach it again.
With the undertray fully attached the Stilos can go through 300mm water depth with slow driving, anything under 100mm is safe with reasonble speed.
sounds like a silly idea Pete (i have seen one or 2 cars on the forum suffer from the same feat of the GSR drinking water)
is there anyway the filter cone can be fully upside down and a ball pool type "ball" fitted into the induction cone big enough not to be drawn up the pipe?
As with some of the older vax wet and dry Hoovers when the filter is submerged by water the ball floats to the top once it nears the top the induction air flow will pull it tight and blocks the induction pipe therefore stopping water (and air) from getting up stalling the engine before damage occurs
seems to work ok in my wet and dry vac :idea:
then again some will never be happy how about going the whole hog
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is there anyway the filter cone can be fully upside down and a ball pool type "ball" fitted into the induction cone big enough not to be drawn up the pipe?
As with some of the older vax wet and dry Hoovers when the filter is submerged by water the ball floats to the top once it nears the top the induction air flow will pull it tight and blocks the induction pipe therefore stopping water (and air) from getting up stalling the engine before damage occurs
seems to work ok in my wet and dry vac :idea:
then again some will never be happy how about going the whole hog
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the exact same thing happened to me about 5months ago.. I ended up needing a new engine
seems if you got flood damage cover on your insurance, and have declared all mods, then they pay for new engines
Issues with GSR induction and floods is beyond dispute Mortern. I've never heard of a single Stilo engine being destroyed with oem induction (other than in major floods). You're either just very lucky or you've managed to tie the filter up high like with the 1.2 :chin: As you say, a different filter plus undertray may have helped too
I really don't think the OEM box is completely waterproof. It is just plastic, which can be popped open by two clamps. Inside is a paper filter or similiar.
But ofcourse tighter than an open cone filter.
But how do you get so much water inside the engine except from diving into it? I've been flooded pretty many times by trucks and huge trailers. But I usually see it coming, and turn on the wipers on full speed before the "impact". I've survived. I have also been doing floods and highways with so much surface water it felt like ice. But the engine compartment is dry. Why? The undertray. Nothing gets splashed up.
I've noticed drips of water on the filtercharger sometimes as I have checked this very often. Like how much water can it actually take? Pretty damn much.
There is only one minus with the undertray. It works as a shovel when reversing in deep snow.
seems if you got flood damage cover on your insurance, and have declared all mods, then they pay for new engines
Unfortunately my mods were not decalred on the policy at time of incident..
they are now though on my new policy
Gonna agree with the posts about the under tray as having not got anything on mine at the mo might have caused some damage couple weeks back however we will find out next week as being in the maldives at mo i cant really tell.
As for the air box on the Jtd's it is quite low down and fed from the slam panel and i know you can drive through water to the bottom of the head lights and in fact have and thats why the K&n got put on when i realised the airbox was broken and engested water back in feb.
Hopefully both times i have gotton away with it and have decided that i will change it in the new year for another stilo and because im not doing much milage at the moment even if it is broke i think i can nurse it for a couple of months.
As for the air box on the Jtd's it is quite low down and fed from the slam panel and i know you can drive through water to the bottom of the head lights and in fact have and thats why the K&n got put on when i realised the airbox was broken and engested water back in feb.
Hopefully both times i have gotton away with it and have decided that i will change it in the new year for another stilo and because im not doing much milage at the moment even if it is broke i think i can nurse it for a couple of months.
It should do fine but it really comes down to how well the car has been maintained. Anyone with a sloppily installed air filter could find them selves in trouble in a long stretch of deep water. Even worse is for JTD owners having holed vapour traps hanging down by the road surface just asking to be used as a water scoop straight into the turbo
Maintenance is obviously very important as is having a properly fitted under-tray.
The crucial point with flooded roads is that you can very often get through a short stretch of flood if you maintain forward motion since the water has barely a chance to engulf the engine compartment fully but you also need to account for being forced to come to a complete stop. Water level around the engine (undertray or not) will then the same as outside the car and that's when everything will be tested to its very limit (not least when water finally penetrates the door seals
)Sometimes it's just better to keep the car at home
Sometimes it's just better to keep the car at home
If there is doubt, there is no doubt.
Amen.
Even worse is for JTD owners having holed vapour traps hanging down by the road surface just asking to be used as a water scoop straight into the turbo
Maintenance is obviously very important as is having a properly fitted under-tray.
Sometimes it's just better to keep the car at home
Well when i get home the vapour trap is coming off as i think thats where my problems started off with the water ingestion. Undertray well i might get some steel and make one but doesnt really matter if im getting shot of the car.
Still at least it still goes unlike the unlucky person in this thread.
I wouldn't remove it as it may even provide some measure of protection if you do get water drawn in (remember it's at the very lowest point in the induction so could drain a small amount of water away from the turbo - just like it collects oil)
Make sure it's not holed and then use a tie clip to hold it under the air box - which in turn should rest on the nearside engine protector (you've not lost that as well have you when doing your 4x4 stuff :nono:
)OK, to update.
So far I've tried the following:
Let it dry out
Disconnected the battery over night
Removed spark plugs and attempted to crank (no joy)
Tried turing the engine by hand (no joy)
Still a loud 'clunk' coming from the engine block when I try to start it. Methinks it's dead now. I'm not claiming on my insurnace. My excess is £300, my NCB is not protected, and I'm within months of getting 5 years and being able to protect my NCB. My 3 door Stilo has done me well, but the engine's not big enough, the car itself isn't big enough. The car is not worth enough to screw up my NCB. So I'm thinking of selling it as a non-runner and buying something bigger. Although I'm not really sure what to do at the minute.
So far I've tried the following:
Let it dry out
Disconnected the battery over night
Removed spark plugs and attempted to crank (no joy)
Tried turing the engine by hand (no joy)
Still a loud 'clunk' coming from the engine block when I try to start it. Methinks it's dead now. I'm not claiming on my insurnace. My excess is £300, my NCB is not protected, and I'm within months of getting 5 years and being able to protect my NCB. My 3 door Stilo has done me well, but the engine's not big enough, the car itself isn't big enough. The car is not worth enough to screw up my NCB. So I'm thinking of selling it as a non-runner and buying something bigger. Although I'm not really sure what to do at the minute.
Sorry to here this Chris I liked having you around ..you will be missed in the stilo ranks.. sounds like you might have a bent con rod there..only way to confirm any damage tho is to lift the head or maybe drop the sump..fancy getting dirty baby..
If you do sell as a non runner place an ad in the classified section for all the stilo community to see..:idea:
sounds like you might have a bent con rod there..only way to confirm any damage tho is to lift the head or maybe drop the sump..fancy getting dirty baby..If you do sell as a non runner place an ad in the classified section for all the stilo community to see..:idea:
I'll still hang around, and I didn't say I wouldn't look at a Multiwagon, did I? Although I'm not looking at them currently :lol:
Although I'm not looking at them currently :lol:
a 1.4 would just bolt in, then you will have your bigger engine with out having to buy a new car
It's a nice thought, but the hassle of geting it done, getting the engineers cert, and paying the excess, losing my NCB etc isn't worth it lol, plus I need a bigger car...by drumkit's got that big it doesn't all fit in my Stilo now :S
Edit: It's going on fleabay tomorrow. What would a reasonable reserve price be? I know I'm not going to get much for it, but the more the better!
Edit: It's going on fleabay tomorrow. What would a reasonable reserve price be? I know I'm not going to get much for it, but the more the better!
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Hmmmm..... didn't you get running issues from using the wrong ECU (original 1.2 ECU on a 1.4)a 1.4 would just bolt in, then you will have your bigger engine with out having to buy a new car
Just set the starting price to what you'd be happy with (or perhaps not so happy
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Hmmmm..... didn't you get running issues from using the wrong ECU (original 1.2 ECU on a 1.4)
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