McCormick, drunk & no insurance

[Big Black Stilo]

i dont want to defend him but driving drunk and uninsured could be the result of left over alcohol from the night before (was sat morning) and the car he was driving wasnt his and he believed his insurance covered him on that car.

It happened to someone i used to know, but they didnt crash or kill anyone.

If im out on the ale i dont drive the next day until after 12pm or not at all. If i know im driving the ext day, i dont drink. This wasnt the same 7 years ago, but its what i do now

 

[forevertom]

i dont want to defend him but driving drunk and uninsured could be the result of left over alcohol from the night before (was sat morning) and the car he was driving wasnt his and he believed his insurance covered him on that car.

It happened to someone i used to know, but they didnt crash or kill anyone.

If im out on the ale i dont drive the next day until after 12pm or not at all. If i know im driving the ext day, i dont drink. This wasnt the same 7 years ago, but its what i do now

Exactly what I have been thinking.

I don't see how everyone can judge a guy who they know nothing about.

Yes it could be as bad as everyone thinks but there is always the other side.

 

[ChrisUK]

Exactly what I have been thinking.

I don't see how everyone can judge a guy who they know nothing about.

Yes it could be as bad as everyone thinks but there is always the other side.

How could it not be bad?. I don't know of any situation where if the driver was acting within the law that these 'accidents' don't have to be as bad or can be avoided altogether. And theres the fact of no insurance which I find to be quite pathetic.

 

[jug]

imo there is no excuse for drink driving. taking the risk is your choice, but you cant chose to be responsible for the consequences. drivin the morning after is the same as driving after your last pint, everyone knows that, even a footballer.

the other driver may have been at fault, the insurance issue could have been an honest mistake, but drink driving makes that almost irrelevant.

 

[FDF]

I think he's been charged with causing death through dangerous driving, driving while under the influence of drink or drugs and driving without insurance. I wonder if he was on his mobile phone.

The drunk driving and driving without insurance will probably get him a large fine and a minimum one year driving ban.

If convicted of causing death through dangerous driving that carries a maximum sentence of life. If I were the judge I'd throw away the key.

 

[Hellcat]

It's upto the policy holder to confirm if you can drive other cars. Not knowing is no excuse.

 

[bozzy]

Exactly what I have been thinking.

I don't see how everyone can judge a guy who they know nothing about.

Yes it could be as bad as everyone thinks but there is always the other side.

What is the other side that you mention? I am struggling to find anything here that the bloke cannot be responsible for. Ignorance is no defence.

I didn't know Hitler but I know he was a cnut.

 

[Captain Mike]

To name but a few....

Patrick Kluivert (killed a man in car accident)
Lee Hughes (caused death by dangerous driving)
Tony Adams (crashed car while drunk)
George Best (say no more!)

Sadly I doubt it will end his career....

yes but they are all pretty much legends.

before today i hadnt heard of him so i say career over.

 

[sludgeguts]

yes but they are all pretty much legends.

before today i hadnt heard of him so i say career over.

Pretty much nobends.
bit like this guy really.

Exactly what I have been thinking.

I don't see how everyone can judge a guy who they know nothing about.

Yes it could be as bad as everyone thinks but there is always the other side..

We know he'd been out on the lash, we know he was driving under the influence (even if it was hours later, we know enough about the effects of alcohol & drugs to know you are still not in full control even after a decent night's kip), we know he was driving uninsured & we know there is a huge hole in someone's family where this nobjockey has slaughtered two innocents.

As for "the other side", there is only one other side in this sad story and that is where the little children have gone, waaaay before their time.
I hope they lock him away for a very, very long time - prettyboy should cope well inside where his money won't do him any good. (but a huge tub of super strength lube will)

 

[forevertom]

I know what you mean and I know that what has happened is an absolute tragedy of the highest level.

No one knows how much over he was though. I mean, he may have felt fine but just been the tiniest bit over the limit.

I'm not trying to come up with excuses or anything. He just always struck me as the kind of guy who was responsible, down to earth and not up himself about being a footballer. I guess it's just trying to understand how it all happened really.

Think there needs to be some whitnesses to see what he did.

Like I said, if it is as bad as it does look on the surface he should be locked away and banned from football. He shouldn't be in the public eye after doing something so bad.

Guess next monday we will find out what happened? don't really know how it works though.

 

[johnw]

Guess next monday we will find out what happened? don't really know how it works though.

Causing death by dangerous driving can only be tried and/or sentenced in the crown court. Because he has to go to crown court for the most serious offence they will send the others to be dealt with there as well, even though normally a crown court judge isn't allowed to deal with no insurance or drink driving.

He will appear in the magistrates court in the first instance as they are geared up to deal with things fairly quickly.

He will not be required to enter a plea but can choose to do so if he wishes. If he pleads guilty they will impose an interim driving ban that will last until he gets to crown court. If he pleads not guilty or doesn't enter a plea they can't take his licence away at that stage.

They will deal with the question of bail. As the police seem to have released him without restrictions (according to the reports I have seen) the court is not likely to restrict him in any way. They could impose a curfew, take away his passport, require him to reside at a specific address, make him report to the police station every day, make him provide a surety (ie find someone willing to risk a lot of money if he doesn't turn up at court), remand him in custody. Or more or less any combination of those. BUT only if he poses a further risk or there is evidence to suggest he may run.

They will set a date, either for him to return to court if the police need more time to gather evidence or for him to appear at crown court if they have got the paper work done. Which is most unlikely as the BIB do like to take their time.

The sentence he eventually gets will not be life because the maximum available is 10 years.


People who don't know much about courts, which sadly includes a lot of police officers, often think that because the law sets out a maximum period it should be used in all cases. The truth is that the court is required to sentence in accordance with the guidelines issued by the sentencing guidelines council. Causing death by dangerous driving is one of a very few cases where the council actually gives a guideline of the maximum for exceptional cases. If he pleads guilty he will have to be given at least 33% off the maximum.

The guidelines for this offence can be found here
http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/press_18feb03.html

 

[ChrisUK]

I know what you mean and I know that what has happened is an absolute tragedy of the highest level.

No one knows how much over he was though. I mean, he may have felt fine but just been the tiniest bit over the limit.

I'm not trying to come up with excuses or anything. He just always struck me as the kind of guy who was responsible, down to earth and not up himself about being a footballer. I guess it's just trying to understand how it all happened really.

Think there needs to be some whitnesses to see what he did.

Like I said, if it is as bad as it does look on the surface he should be locked away and banned from football. He shouldn't be in the public eye after doing something so bad.

Guess next monday we will find out what happened? don't really know how it works though.

Haven't you heard the expression it doesn't matter if its an inch or a mile winnings winning. Same with Alchohol doesn't matter weither your over by 1mg or 150mg you have Alchohol in your system which can and will effect your ability to do basic things such as not drive like a tosser. If im driving I won't even have one drink.

 

[Captain Mike]

Haven't you heard the expression it doesn't matter if its an inch or a mile winnings winning. Same with Alchohol doesn't matter weither your over by 1mg or 150mg you have Alchohol in your system which can and will effect your ability to do basic things such as not drive like a tosser. If im driving I won't even have one drink.

someones been watching....

 

[ChrisUK]

Causing death by dangerous driving can only be tried and/or sentenced in the crown court. Because he has to go to crown court for the most serious offence they will send the others to be dealt with there as well, even though normally a crown court judge isn't allowed to deal with no insurance or drink driving.

He will appear in the magistrates court in the first instance as they are geared up to deal with things fairly quickly.

He will not be required to enter a plea but can choose to do so if he wishes. If he pleads guilty they will impose an interim driving ban that will last until he gets to crown court. If he pleads not guilty or doesn't enter a plea they can't take his licence away at that stage.

They will deal with the question of bail. As the police seem to have released him without restrictions (according to the reports I have seen) the court is not likely to restrict him in any way. They could impose a curfew, take away his passport, require him to reside at a specific address, make him report to the police station every day, make him provide a surety (ie find someone willing to risk a lot of money if he doesn't turn up at court), remand him in custody. Or more or less any combination of those. BUT only if he poses a further risk or there is evidence to suggest he may run.

They will set a date, either for him to return to court if the police need more time to gather evidence or for him to appear at crown court if they have got the paper work done. Which is most unlikely as the BIB do like to take their time.

The sentence he eventually gets will not be life because the maximum available is 10 years.


People who don't know much about courts, which sadly includes a lot of police officers, often think that because the law sets out a maximum period it should be used in all cases. The truth is that the court is required to sentence in accordance with the guidelines issued by the sentencing guidelines council. Causing death by dangerous driving is one of a very few cases where the council actually gives a guideline of the maximum for exceptional cases. If he pleads guilty he will have to be given at least 33% off the maximum.

The guidelines for this offence can be found here
http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/press_18feb03.html

Absolutly shocking :shakehead:

If that was my child he'd killed I wouldn't be relying on the Law for justice.

 

[ChrisUK]

someones been watching....

Well yeah a long time ago . I thought I'd use an analogy even R12mus would understand .

 

[Jai]

someones been watching....

someones acting like a no nothing moron.....again

 

[Captain Mike]

Well yeah a long time ago . I thought I'd use an analogy even R12mus would understand .

 

[FDF]

Lets play guess the sentence, we assume he's found guilty on all charges, what do you think the judge will give him?

I guess £500 fine and 3 years driving ban for the drunk driving and no insurance. Causing death by dangerous driving, 7 years prison, he'll be out in 4.

 

[Captain Mike]

Lets play guess the sentence, we assume he's found guilty on all charges, what do you think the judge will give him?

I guess £500 fine and 3 years driving ban for the drunk driving and no insurance. Causing death by dangerous driving, 7 years prison, he'll be out in 4.

i think a night hand cuffed to a bed thats locked in a room with Barrymore and michael jackson

 

[johnw]

Those of you who were willing to jail him immediately may be interested to hear that the no insurance has been dropped as he does have cover.


He may or may not be guilty of the other charges but, unlike most of the posters here, the justice system needs proof before either verdict or sentence.