General M-Jet / T-Jet argument thread !!

[Shropshire_lad]

http://www.angermanage.co.uk/

Give me a post with factual information instead of your opinion and I'll calm down...

You've criticised the T jet, with inaccurate posts, have you really driven both cars yourself? Seems at odds to what I found...

Also I'm interested to know about tuning on a GPS T Jet and it's residual value...please enlighten me and I'll shut up.

Chris... No I wasn't bullied...but thanks for your insight..

 

[G.P.S]

Give me a post with factual information instead of your opinion and I'll calm down...

You've criticised the T jet, with inaccurate posts, have you really driven both cars yourself? Seems at odds to what I found...

Also I'm interested to know about tuning on a GPS T Jet and it's residual value...please enlighten me and I'll shut up.

Chris... No I wasn't bullied...but thanks for your insight..

The great and emminent naturalist Charles Darwin was from Shropshire. Now it's producing numpty's like you....Shame

 

[ChrisUK]

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this thread cracks me up. Yes the T-jet can be tuned but at greater cost and more risk of your pistons poping out your bonnet. Remaps as far as im aware won't give the same gains so to go further you need to upgrade Turbo, get FMIC, new cams etc. Do the same with the mjet and you can get 300bhp+ 550+nm torque (this was on a 16v mjet so maybe different on the 8v Grande Mjet).

 

[Shropshire_lad]

The great and emminent naturalist Charles Darwin was from Shropshire. Now it's producing numpty's like you....Shame

Why the insults...?

According to you and Chris, I've apparently been bullied, a bully, have a small dick and now I'm a numpty...

I have asked you a serious question...why not try and answer me instead of insulting me?

 

[ChrisUK]

Why the insults...?

According to you and Chris, I've apparently been bullied, a bully, have a small dick and now I'm a numpty...

I have asked you a serious question...why not try and answer me instead of insulting me?

I answered regarding tuning. Depreciation cannot be calculated as the car hasn't matured yet. I haven't insulted you IMO, Made a comment about being bullied but was only joshing .

 

[G.P.S]

Why the insults...?

According to you and Chris, I've apparently been bullied, a bully, have a small dick and now I'm a numpty...

I have asked you a serious question...why not try and answer me instead of insulting me?

OK fair enough SL...but I think you may of been asking for it a little.

I've recently built up a keen interest in car tuning after joining the Fiat Forum and learnt a lot. There are some undoubtedly knowledgeable guys that post on here and I base all my statements about this relatively complex subject (that as you quite correctly pointed I don't know much about) from what I read. As I understand it an MJet can be tuned to a very respectable power level with minimal effort and cost compared to the T-Jet. This also is supported by the fact that the 1.4 engine size will ultimately restrict the modifications that can be added accordingly. I can only assume this is 'fact' as that is what's being said by people in the know.

With regards to residual value its a known 'fact' that a diesel car has additional strengths when it comes to selling on in reality and I think it's fair to say this will be the case for some time. Traditionally small engine petrol cars (especially sport versions) will lose their value quicker than a bigger diesel version because of the buyers perception that it's been built to last longer and handle more miles. Ask any second hand car dealer and they will tell you that a diesel will sell on quicker and be in greater demand on the used market. A peach of a Golf 2.0 Tdi will not hang around on a forecourt for long compared to a 2.0FSI of similar condition which may as well settle in and make itself at home for a while. To further support this the MJet Sporting has had the time to established itself as being an excellent car across the board and considered by many Fiat salesman as the best overall GP model regardless of whether you want to drive it hard or have a comfortable commute everyday thus opening it up to a wider audience. It's a winner in most aspects of everyday driving and I'm sure this will support its reputation in the future when it comes to publication reviews such as what car?/parkers guide etc.

I hope this has answered your angry an irritation fuelled questions. As a return favour I'd appreciate it very much if you'd stop hindering and polluting what is (and what this particular forum is best at) interesting, and insightful debate with your belligerant attitude.

Many thanks

 

[Shropshire_lad]

Thanks for the measured response...

My postings were never angry...hostile maybe, due to the fact you've answered my questions earlier in the thread with such revealing statements as...

Originally Posted by G.P.S
Having reading difficulties I see.....

"Drive both back to back on the same route to find out"


Originally Posted by G.P.S
....as much as you like your power increasing remap?

As regards residual values...it's pure speculation as whether the T Jet will fair better or worse than the M Jets derisory 37%.

I'll stay cool if you can answer my questions with serious responses....

 

[G.P.S]

Thanks for the measured response...

My postings were never angry...hostile maybe, due to the fact you've answered my questions earlier in the thread with such revealing statements as...

Originally Posted by G.P.S
Having reading difficulties I see.....

"Drive both back to back on the same route to find out"


Originally Posted by G.P.S
....as much as you like your power increasing remap?

As regards residual values...it's pure speculation as whether the T Jet will fair better or worse than the M Jets derisory 37%.

I'll stay cool if you can answer my questions with serious responses....

My guess is that the T-Jet will suffer 'very' badly when it comes to retaining it's value.....You'll see

 

[venomco]

Well, Top Gear Mag gives the GPS M-jet 13/20, and the T-jet 12/20.

Taken from Top Gear

Fancy something hotter?


130 Sporting
Heart of the Grand Punto Sporting is the delicious 1.9 Multijet with 130bhp. Strong and flexible, it warrants, if not encourages you, to push hard, the power served like the food at London's swankiest eating places - i.e. quickly - when you do.


That's all the proof I need

Given they are using a 1.4 in the Abarth... Shame they aren't putting the 1.9 in but hey :devil:

 

[puntochrich]

i always believed the t-jet has a 0-60 just below 9 seconds while the m-jet 0-60 is just over 9 seconds..

m-jet top speed slightly faster but nothing much in it

personally i would like to go for t-jet

maybe im biased as im getting one in a week or so

 

[Venters]

i always believed the t-jet has a 0-60 just below 9 seconds while the m-jet 0-60 is just over 9 seconds..

Waiting for the M-Jetters to post about how thats not realistic only in gear is true test.

 

[G.P.S]

i always believed the t-jet has a 0-60 just below 9 seconds while the m-jet 0-60 is just over 9 seconds..

m-jet top speed slightly faster but nothing much in it

personally i would like to go for t-jet

maybe im biased as im getting one in a week or so

Yep....Making a decision based on these two polarised performance figures is like watching the beginning and end of a film only.....I reckon the best bit is what happens in between.

 

[G.P.S]

Waiting for the M-Jetters to post about how thats not realistic only in gear is true test.

The M-Jetters......Like it. Sounds like the band that were pipped to the post by the Bay City Rollers

 

[puntochrich]

Yep....Making a decision based on these two polarised performance figures is like watching the beginning and end of a film only.....I reckon the best bit is what happens in between.

i personally prefer the 0-60 IMO once you get to 70 the needle has to stop dead

unless your on the strip of course

 

[Benzsc1]

Can the flames be fanned anymore on this one its dying out and what a shame it so entertaining

anyway lets just let time tell which acrs are better ie: reliabilty tunability etc etc I really makes no difference anyway

I shall however point out that back in the eighties there was the R5 Turbo which basic concept is the same as the T Jet and also in the eighties you could never really buy a Performance diesel from anywhere (I don't think) so it does prove one thing Diesel technology has vastly improved to the point where they can produce a good performance diesel as well as the petrol equivilent

 

[puntokris]

i personally prefer the 0-60 IMO once you get to 70 the needle has to stop dead

unless your on the strip of course

We all know that contrary to what GP owners may say, the needle does not stop at 70, come on, I don't think many m-jet owners have their cars remapped for the mpg.

I've been in meetings all day and look what I miss out on, I haven't had a chance to add my sarcastic and smart arse comments.

Just to clarify that I find a quarter mile run more useful than a 0-60 test.

See you at santa pod/crail/shakespeare raceway

 

[JFL]

30-70mph is a more acurate measure of a cars performance

such as when joining a motorway, or overtaking slower moving vehicles etc

to do a solid test of 0-60 you have to miss out using your clutch or only use it lightly (or so ive read)

i dont think i have ever done a full on 0-60 test in my car, except at santa pod which as its a diesel it bogged down in 1st but once in 2nd it went more then fast enough :devil:

if i were doing lots of miles (as i do), i would take the diesel anytime, ut if i were to use a car for only a few 1000 miles a year, give me the petrol :idea:

if i were to drive on the motorway as well, i would always take a diesel for its more relaxed nature

 

[T-Jet 120]

The great and emminent naturalist Charles Darwin was from Shropshire. Now it's producing numpty's like you....Shame

Was there any need to get personnel???, this thread was created so we can give our views and opinions on the T-Jet and M-Jet engine not so we can swap personnel comments :nono:. Where someone lives has nothing to do with there mental ability. I notice that you have not displayed your location

Thats my 2 pence worth.

 

[T-Jet 120]

Back to the topic.

i always believed the t-jet has a 0-60 just below 9 seconds while the m-jet 0-60 is just over 9 seconds..

m-jet top speed slightly faster but nothing much in it

personally i would like to go for t-jet

maybe im biased as im getting one in a week or so

Yes you are correct kris, the T-Jet has a 0-60 time of 8.9 and the M-Jet has a 0-60 time of 9.6 (i think). However the M-Jet has a top speed of 124mph and the T-Jet has a top speed of 121mph. These are the figures that Fiat quote so we must assume they are correct - unless you have hard proof they are not.

 

[Shropshire_lad]

Was there any need to get personnel???, this thread was created so we can give our views and opinions on the T-Jet and M-Jet engine not so we can swap personnel comments :nono:. Where someone lives has nothing to do with there mental ability. I notice that you have not displayed your location

Maybe I can ask him at the rolling road day on the 3rd of February...I sure am looking forward to that! As long as they don't all start slating my Angel remap!! lol

As regards in gear acceleration..anyone have any comparable 30-70 times for the M Jet and T Jet? Still don't think they'd be much in it. I think Autoexpress timed the T Jet at around 8.5s, which isn't too bad, as they road test the cars with a passenger and a full tank of fuel.