LPG Vs diesel

[99sei]

right brought a car thats lpg converted, but the lpg is f***ed. going through trading standards with it, dont really like the car any way only brought it because of the lpg conversion. going to get rid of it as soon as the lpg has been sorted and get a new car.

so do i go for a diesel, or get a new car and get lpg fitted to it?

i travel about 50miles each day, but not sure of the benefits of both, so thought id ask you lot.

the conversion would be a top of the range one with a two year guarentee (£1400)

or would a diesel do just as many miles as lpg?

post your opinions please people

 

[Si]

Someone on the Skoda forums has done an LPG conversion on his diesel which I thought was crazy but obviously possible.

Gas is cheaper and cleaner but not sure on exact performance figures.

Diesel is more fun and high mpg is achievable (if your right foot isn't made of lead )

 

[herpsuk]

i wudnt want a bomb in my boot stick with diesel

thats all i have to say lol

 

[faster4_tec]

well, lpg means you can have the drivability of the petrol, anythingyou like, and fuel is always under 50p a litre, so half price basically.
buy a car with the lpg already in and you save a bundle,as it doesn't really add to the value of anything.

diesel, mmm if you can run it on veg oil and thtt (only upto50% in summer in the tank, more if you get a dedicated kit) so making it more like 1/3rd off, but then less to go wrong, and you can always get both disel and veg oil.
and most diesel engines are a bit more efficiant for their size compared to petrol (2.0 petrol NA= 32mpg, 2.0tdi = 44mpg).

 

[maddogmorg]

i wudnt want a bomb in my boot stick with diesel

thats all i have to say lol

now, now! we all now it takes quite a bit to make it a bomb

 

[toad101]

there are plans to increase the duty on lpg soon

 

[99sei]

its frozen till 2009 so still got a few years left yet.

diesel+lpg has not been long out and has a few problems hence not going for it.

i wouldnt have a lead foot as it would hit my wallet hard, but just wanted to see what people thought.

getting one that is already done is ok, but finding one in a car you want is the hard part hence why i ended up with my current car now.

i know it burns cleaner but thats it, you get the same bhp on it i think as you have different size jets to match the engine.

 

[faster4_tec]

the aim isn't to increase power, merely to use a fuel thats got less duty on it

well that was the idea with diesel, and AFAIK there is less duty than petrol, but manufacturs are selling a lot more diesel in the UK than they can get in their fractionating columns so the cost of refining it has gone up or producing that amount.

hence why the uK is one of the few countries in teh world where diesel is more than petrol. in the russian federation your paying about 34=36p a litre for '96 or 98 premium petrol, and a mere 15p a litre for diesel (altthough its more like oily water than diesel), as for IRan I can't even work it out pennies per litre, its more like litres per penny, e.g 45litres of finest 93octane = $2.30 as for diesel, its basically free.

 

[99sei]

think i might go for the conversion with you saying that faster4_tec. it may cost a fair bit more but should be worth it in the long run as well as hold a bit more value for re-sale.

would be intresting to see how much gas rises to when the goveement can get their hands on it in 2009

 

[Si]

When I was doing a Petrol vs Diesel and making my decision to purchase a coal burner my calculations were based on 4p gap between petrol and diesel prices per litre.

Now I don't know what the picture is around the whole country but locally the majority of local fuel stations have now priced diesel at the same price per litre as petrol. This personally has left a huge smile on my face

 

[faster4_tec]

for the first time in at least 6years petrol is now more than diesel here, only a penny, but still.

 

[Liam]

If you do only 50 miles each day then LPG will take a while to pay off, I can get 55mpg from a 1200 Corsa C so I think 50 miles is a bit low to be thinking about alternatives.

Liam

 

[Hellcat]

Meh Diesel for sure.

You will lose a huge amount of your boot with the gas tank, and they do seem to go wrong a lot. Much more than just a normal petrol or diesel engine.

 

[99sei]

want a engine that can cope with the motorway miles though, would put a lot of stress on a 1.2.

as for it going wrong i have a two year warenty with it. not looking for it to pay off much, will be keeping the car for a long time hopefully so would always come in usefull.

any one got and figure on what lpg does to the gallon?

 

[Big Black Stilo]

i have a 1.2 stilo, can hit 50mpg+ @70mph on the motorways, its serviced regular, the motor is well looked after, touch wood, its not showing anysigns of problems, is like new, doesnt lose water or oil between services (oil does drop but from max to 1/4 way). Mpg drops between servicing, in the later 1/4 of the year but still 47mpg plus. Mostly on the mway if not in a rush i'll sit at 60pmh and often get to a place in not much time difference as at this speed you rarely have to slow down, and regain speed

I travel a mixture of motorways and normal roads throughout the week

Its 4 years old on 46k and engine wise its sound, and it can cope with it.

My 1043 ibiza didnt like motorway, and popped a HG and buggered everything up.

My mrs saxo 1.1 is used daily on motorway for about 40 miles, and that is sound also- again it is well serviced and checked and not thrashed

At the moment, motorway combined with town centre roads, hitting 48mpg and about 510miles out of a tank (well a £50 fill up)- last week and a bit i got 460 miles out of it when it got to where it hit 510 the week before, must have been canning it somewhere!!!

I want a bigger motor for my next one, and im looking at an oil burner just to get more power, same sort of insurance group, and same fuel costs/mpg

 

[faster4_tec]

motorways are pretty good news for engines, I'd much rather have a small car thats done 100k on the motorway all the time, rahter than a town car thats spent 30k banging around speedbumps nad being abused


its defo nicer to drive a bigger car + engine with the lower fueling costs but then what yousave is spent on lpg'ing it. rather than a small car + engine thats just plain frustrating on the motorway.

 

[99sei]

traveling the motor way every day i want a 1.6 so i have enough power to get out of danger (there are a lot of arses on the road) but be good on fuel at the same time.

my rover was really good at that, but had to get rid of it because of a fault. thinking 206 xsi with an lpg conversion

if you have an lpg conversion, can you still have an amp and sub in the boot?

 

[Hellcat]

Buy a JTD marea weekend... Then you get motorway cruising mpg, power, plus you could fit a whole DJ rig in the boot never mind just a sub and amp

taxing and insurance will probably be cheaper too with it being a diesel rather than a large petrol.

 

[faster4_tec]

1.6, peugeot 206, thought you had more sense than that

206 ain't great, even the diesels are made bad by the car, their worse than fiat puntos (equiv).


and a 1.6, possibly THE most useless engine size, your paying th hgiher tax's (1550cc upwards), but getting no power, and at best about 36mpg (from other 1.6's I've known, not sporty ones either).
if you spend most of your time on teh motorway you'll find a bigger petrol WILL be more economical than th 1.6, I'm telling you striaght

also a 1.6 will still have a more revvy g'box so still won't be happy on the motorway.
my mums 2.0 16v turbo kicking enough ponies to get it to 150mph and 60 in low 6's :yum: yet still acheives 37-39mpg on the motorway @ 85, and damn near 40 if driven nicely on a roads @ 52mph.
my dads 3.0l 24v 4wheeldrive audi estate (nr 2tonne) manages about 33/34mpg at best, but at worst 25. yet both cars have enough go to wipe the floor with most things.

1.6's are good in things like paxo's and small lightweight/nimble handling cars where you don't want so much power to upset the handling, but enough to make it move effectively.

buy a diesel, map it, and save on tax, insurance, fuel costs (will be lower than an lpg conversion at your expense) and won't depreciate as much as a petrol car/conversion (frankly does it add any value to the majority of cars?)

just had a thought.

buy a jag, an older (early 90's) daimler, or jag XJ 3.2 v8, find lpg ALREADY installed in teh boot. enjoy 100,000's of miles of v8 sexiness, and only pay the fuel costs of a 1.8

 

[99sei]

have to disagree on the 1.6 option. yes higher tax but the econmy and power from my previous 1.6 k series rover engine was really good.

had lots of torque and power in every gear, which i was suprised about, and cost about £20 a week if i took it easy and done 60mph.

still not decided yet on what to do but am still looking at options. may look at a punto as i know a fait bit about them, but the 1.2 engine doesnt appeal to me