Tuning JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

[PNL]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

Have you had any back up fom GSR with this at all ..havnt he given you any support or suggestions at all why the kit is doing this..??

 

[ABZSTILO]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

Peter was in touch when this problem initially raised it's ugly head and I know he's keeping an eye on this thread, other than that it's more of a self help thing to be honest

 

[PNL]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

Unfortunately that's the case with GSR ..the after service leaves little to be desired and very often its your pigeon to sort out if anything goes wrong..I have seen this time and time again and is a recurring trend with him.. good luck H I'm here for you if I can be of any assistance..

 

[ABZSTILO]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

Cheers Phil

 

[_Dejan_]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

Personally, I don't believe there is But with 163bhp I'm confident your car would do more with a GSR fitted - but that's your call.

However, it would be very interesting indeed to make a hybrid between the GSR kit and the standard induction. I'll be emailing Peter at GSR tonight with an idea that may be worth considering. Although not as elegant as the current GSR product it may do the same job.

If this Induction Kit give me 1-2HP and 2-5Nm without error I will be happy
Yesterday Im send Peter PM by performancestilo forum but I didn't receive any response :S So Im little confused about this... Im find BMC CDA Induction kit and if this GSR not be fixed I will take BMC because is cheaper... and I will myself build "socket" for MAF sensor... I don't want wait 2 months for fix this problem...

Did you try run it with new MAF sensor?

 

[ABZSTILO]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

Did you try run it with new MAF sensor?

This was covered earlier in the thread I think.
A new MAF was fitted immediately prior to getting the remap and induction fitted, I can confirm that on diagnostics the MAF is fine

 

[_Dejan_]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

This was covered earlier in the thread I think.
A new MAF was fitted immediately prior to getting the remap and induction fitted, I can confirm that on diagnostics the MAF is fine

Im not read whole thread but Im reading it...
When I was talking with local tunner he told me when I was put new sport filter in my car I must put on it old MAF sensor because Filter is "sprayed" by oil and this will destroy MAF filter...

I think I will take on of this GSR kit and test it with deferent maps(163HP, 155HP, 147HP, 140HP) and see where is problem...
Im find one stilo which have this GSR Induction kit, performance exhaust(I think reggazzon), hybrid turbo, and custom remap which produce 178HP...

I must ask Peter If I can get any discount and I will test diferent ECU maps and report which work best because I have access to ECU tools, but first I must successful contact him

 

[dave]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

when the car is in Aberdeenshire and peter is in essex it must be a bit hard, but pnl knows as well as every one else that the problem wont leave peters brain until it is sorted

 

[PNL]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

when the car is in Aberdeenshire and peter is in essex it must be a bit hard, but pnl knows as well as every one else that the problem wont leave peters brain until it is sorted

He didn't even bother to phone Hamish when requested and it took continuous posts to get his arse into gear . .hardly what you would call back up is it for one of his moderators but what we came to expect of him..of course when you are giving him money he is there like a shot but when he owes you money he disappears and doesn't reply to your PM's either..pity his after support and service isn't the same..we have Internet and phones so there really isn't any excuse for a shoddy service is there..nice try though Dave covering his back for him..I used to do the same but no longer..

 

[Stu DemonD]

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nice try though Dave covering his back for him..I used to do the same but no longer..

If you have personal issues with him Phil, then fine - but at this stage I request that you keep them OFF this forum.

I have had no issues with Pete personally, and yes no doubt you can reel off a load of things to moan about him, but as far as this thread is concerned....

Cheers

 

[ABZSTILO]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

when the car is in Aberdeenshire and peter is in essex it must be a bit hard

Phil rightly points out there is such a thing as email/phone but to be fair to Peter he did eventually get in touch. Despite numerous emails to them, I have yet to receive a reply from Red Dot although to be equally fair to them I have not telephoned them - my bad

That's why I have started this thread on this forum where more diverse JTD owners are likely to 'dip in' Regardless of my choice of aftermarket 'additions' I firmly believe that the problems I (and others) have experienced aren't restricted to any one particular 'brand'. Therefore this thread was intended to try and weed out as much information as possible, find out where the common ground is and establish (hopefully once and for all) where the issues are and, more importantly, how to fix them
If my hypotheses are correct, a simple and elegant solution will be found which will benefit owners and tuners alike. A good thing IMHO

but pnl knows as well as every one else that the problem wont leave peters brain until it is sorted

No offence to Peter but I'm sure the issues related to the JTD induction and remap are down on his list of priorities - Stilo wise the 2.4 induction is getting some attention so perhaps once that has been resolved pertinent information from the results may very well come to the JTD induction. In the meantime I remain non-plussed about how much attention this problem is receiving.

I should make it crystal clear to everyone reading this post that this thread was/is intended as an information gathering exercise to help prove/assist the solution I believe I'm close to finding - nothing more. Yes, I do feel a smidgen annoyed about a few things but I'm not going to air any dirtly laundry except to those concerned..... should they get in touch, ofcourse

 

[_Dejan_]

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ABZSTILO did you try Induction Kit before remap? Did you receive any error?
Can you do nex thing:
-Take induction kit from car and put MAF into it and then take picture trough hole, than do same with original MAF holder and post both pictures.
-Is MAF sensor on both "inductions" on same position from engine? Same height? Same width? I hope that you understand what I mean... When We will know this then we can go to next step...
-Please try disconnect MAF sensor and report if you receive any error... When you disconnect it ECU go to backup program... If this will help then maybe I can produce any map which will not produce this errors, but first I must get somewhere this Induction Kit...

 

[Muppet1]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

On these Jtd's there is a 2 pipes going into the turbo, One of which is a (oil trap) Is it. Now if it is, does fresh air go though that pipe to the turbo as well.

What i trying to get at, Does the Gsr kit remove the oil trap and just have one big pipe running into the turbo from the cone air filter and if so would the problem be that the air being drawn into the turbo over the maf sensor be going past it far quicker than normal as there is the oil trap pipe on the non induction set up. Im just wondering as i want one but not if im going to get errors as mine is behaving its self.

Sone pics or diagrams would be nice of bot set ups just so we have a better idea if possible.

 

[Argonought]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

The oil/vapour trap is sealed (or at least it should be).

I'd like to know how the MAF is installed in the GSR system too (as I think does Dejan)

For starters what then goes between the turbo and MAF assembly?

Hopefully Hamish might get his camera out

 

[Muppet1]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

So if the oil vapour trap is sealed where does the oil/vapours come from then. I know my old escort td had a big ish airbox with a air sensor going straight to the turbo. The the breather from the head used to goto into the inlet side of the turbo too.

I guess this is the same kind of effort then, What happens if you get rid of the vapour trap and just have a peice of pipe and a filter on the end of it attached to the turbo then i wonder. And how does the gsr kit deal with the vapour trap then??

 

[Argonought]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

So if the oil vapour trap is sealed where does the oil/vapours come from then. I know my old escort td had a big ish airbox with a air sensor going straight to the turbo. The the breather from the head used to goto into the inlet side of the turbo too.

Much the same on the JTD The breather feeds downwards with the vapour trap being on the bottom. My guess is that this is to catch excess oil/vapour being ejected from the crankcase as you really wouldn't want it going straight into the turbo

I'd guess it also provides some protection to the MAF sensor getting splattered.

What happens if you get rid of the vapour trap and just have a peice of pipe and a filter on the end of it attached to the turbo then i wonder. And how does the gsr kit deal with the vapour trap then??

Good question :chin:

 

[STILO NEWBIE]

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might be a bit late, but just share my little problem after remapped.
my old 1.9jtd was remapped to 160 bhp with k&n replacement element.
Car running fine in 1st, 2nd and 3rd, however, engine will cut off if I push it beyond 4500 rpm at 4th or 5th, it will have no power what so ever, almost like a take me home mode, but if I dont press the gas pedal and let the roll for 10 second or so (which is fine even on motorway as it was doing 100mph+ anyway, not saying doing 100mph is fine though) speed will drop down to around 80mph and everything back to normal, the engine light will comes on, but it usually be gone after 3 re-starts.

 

[Muppet1]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

expect it does run out of puff at 4500rpm, thats about all they will do anyway. Mine revs nice and clean to the limiter and then i change up. Simple really.

 

[STILO NEWBIE]

re: JTD - GSR induction & Red-Dot remaps!

expect it does run out of puff at 4500rpm, thats about all they will do anyway. Mine revs nice and clean to the limiter and then i change up. Simple really.

On a standard car they do.
But it was running fine after the rampped, car is happy to rev up to 5000+ the engine cut off thing only happen after 5-6000 miles sine the rampped was done, also it wasnt just require a gear change, no matter I change up or down, i will have no power unless I let the car roll or in another word, not pressing the gas pedal for 10 seconds.

 

[ABZSTILO]

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Photos - tomorrow, ran out of time today but will get some pics sorted tomorrow morning...... oh how to enjoy my days off!!

Stilo was in for it's MOT today - breezed it MOT tester had it out for a run and was smitten with the car There are good days