General If they are so bad.... why has everyone still got one

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General If they are so bad.... why has everyone still got one

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I mean the lists of ongoing problems, faulty wiring, shocking aftersales, they must still be pretty good for every one to keep them. After all Bear cubs are cute, but once they have mauled you, they have to go. Haven't owned a Fiat for a good while, but have had ....127, 124 sport coupe, 132, 124, and I think the little 127 hatch back was my favourite little car, so sweet to drive and light.I wonder if the problems on this forum are representative of the car as a whole, or just that people have a problem and then come here (or eleswhere) looking for answers. I'm looking forward to getting swmbo's TA :devil:, but am more than a little concerned by its built in electrical self destruct timer, as someone said on here elsewhere, in 10-15 years time a vital piece of electrikery may be obsolete or prohibitavely expensive. They use to rust away, but that can always be fixed.:confused:
 
I mean the lists of ongoing problems, faulty wiring, shocking aftersales, they must still be pretty good for every one to keep them. After all Bear cubs are cute, but once they have mauled you, they have to go. Haven't owned a Fiat for a good while, but have had ....127, 124 sport coupe, 132, 124, and I think the little 127 hatch back was my favourite little car, so sweet to drive and light.I wonder if the problems on this forum are representative of the car as a whole, or just that people have a problem and then come here (or eleswhere) looking for answers. I'm looking forward to getting swmbo's TA :devil:, but am more than a little concerned by its built in electrical self destruct timer, as someone said on here elsewhere, in 10-15 years time a vital piece of electrikery may be obsolete or prohibitavely expensive. They use to rust away, but that can always be fixed.:confused:


If you don't mind maintaining it yourself it should be fine :)

Just make sure you have patience if you ever have to deal with fiat !
 
That's the nature of most forums and the internet in general. The more you know the more you have to worry about. Check out any forum and you'll find on going threads for known faults. Some so basic, such as the tailgate wiring, that you can't figure out why the manufacturers haven't dealt with it. For example the Mercedes G Wagen which is now a 30 year old design still suffers exactly the same issue as the 500 with the tailgate wiring. Difference being between £70 and £120k between a 500 and a G Wagen. Of course you would get better after sales with MB but it would be at a premium cost.

I doubt if there's a single marque out there that doesn't have a known issue. It's just that some dealers / manufacturers are better at dealing with these and indeed covering it up. For example I had a Toyota Avensis that melted it's own headlamps. They changed them without any complaints and of course it was a complete one off. Yea right it's actually a known issue. Same with a friend's Land Cruiser that needed £2.5k's worth of injectors. Or the cracked cylinder heads on the legendary and so called indestructible Toyota Hi Lux. Anyone who knows about these vehicles is well aware of all of these.
 
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If I hadn't joined this forum, I wouldn't know anything about anything to do with our 500TA.

The thing is, I've found out one thing and one thing only.
It needed a new battery. :)

Everything else I've found out is interesting and worthwhile but not of any importance as yet.

I love our car, and if I could convince SWMBO, we'd have another one.
Regards,
Mick.
 
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When a 500 goes wrong it's easy and cheap to fix. When a VW goes wrong, it's going to cost you more than the car is worth. Even the AU$6K dual logic repair is frankly peanuts compared to an $18K VW cylinder head.

I'lll take my chances with door handles and wiring thanks.
 
The 500, like most Fiat's, has it's faults, but again like most Fiat's, they tend not to be hugely major problems. The tailgate wiring breaking in two, door handles falling off, stop-start not working correctly, suspension parts wearing out early are all annoying, but none should really cost a huge amount of money to fix so long as you engage a bit of thought and go to a decent independent (out of warranty) rather than running straight off to the nearest main dealer. In some cases (albeit rare) the dealer prices aren't horrific either.

Generally the fundamental bits of the 500s running gear, as with most Fiat's, is fairly sound. The 1.2s have had that bad run during 2014, but it appears to be software related, and the 1.3 Multijet diesel can self destruct if it's driven round town too much, but it's not a unique diesel engine in behaving like this. I've only ever seen 3 500's on recovery trucks, all more than 3 years old at the time, and look how many there are on the roads. Thousands.

Having a door handle fall off in your hand or a rear wiper going haywire sure is un-nerving, and some people probably think 'jeez if the door handles are this bad, what's the engine like', but that's kindof the point with Fiat (and Alfa) - the important bits are usually fine, they just appear to get bored towards the end of development and let a handful of rubbish components slip through the net. VW on the other hand wooo the owner with plush trim and solid fixtures, but what's underneath often proves itself to be a whole lot more fragile than that in a Fiat - *thinks DSG gearboxes & some VW TSI engines*.

Where Fiat really falls down is aftercare & the 'customer experience'. The dealers minimum standards appear to run little further than having 4 walls and a roof, the rest is upto the individual franchise to decide, so you could have an excellent one, but you could have a truly appalling one. Unlike makes like Toyota & Honda, Fiat appear to show absolutely no willingness or desire to raise the minimum standards, and show even smaller regard for any customer who approaches Fiat UK with a problem or query.

My Parents 500 TwinAir Lounge, in 3 years & 32,000 miles needed two rear number plate bulbs, a new washer pump (a valve was leaking) and a new front anti roll bar (it was knocking over bumps). Other than the bulbs, the faults didn't need rectifying until the end of year 3 and all were paid for by warranty - that's as good as you'll get from any modern car. The trouble we had with Fiat is that parts take an age to arrive, servicing is very expensive vs the value of the car (£370 for a TwinAir 18k service), and if you ever need to contact Fiat UK (we didn't for the 500 but have done for another car) it's like you're the first customer they've ever spoken to - put succinctly, they're clueless, and largely useless.

So no, 500s aren't bad, it's just that when one of the minor faults crop up (far minor than most new cars) the runaround you get from Fiat or one of their poorer dealers makes it feel like the biggest problem in the World.

Fiat, if you're watching, take note yeah! ;)
 
Thanks all for the , quite in depth answers. Feel a little better now. I'm not worried by the faults, but the fact I might be paying a large sum of cash for a new car, that could turn out like those dreadful Polski Fiats and FSO's of the early 80's, you know, the ones you couldn't give away in the end. Again thanks all.
 
I think my girlfriend is having wobbles about her 500, it has had a few niggles which I've fixed, but she's just been hit with a £600+ quote for 54,000 mile service, cambelt and MOT! Plus the radio has stopped working and the air con needs a re-gas.

Mostly run of the mill stuff for a 6 year old car, but all happening at the same time isn't ideal.
 
I think my girlfriend is having wobbles about her 500, it has had a few niggles which I've fixed, but she's just been hit with a £600+ quote for 54,000 mile service, cambelt and MOT! Plus the radio has stopped working and the air con needs a re-gas.

Mostly run of the mill stuff for a 6 year old car, but all happening at the same time isn't ideal.
go to an independent. no fiat dealers for that. cam belt fix and service is all standard stuff.
 
That's the nature of most forums and the internet in general. The more you know the more you have to worry about. Check out any forum and you'll find on going threads for known faults

If there's one thing I learned from this forum, it's not to buy a 2nd hand 500, especially a Dualogic one -- unless you are very mechanically-minded and know how to thoroughly test and inspect a car inside-out. Not because the 500 is a bad car, but it's because you never know if the previous owner is trying to get rid of a lemon by clearing all the fault codes and then making a quick sale before the problem crops up again... :(

I've been to my dealership service centre four times now (regular maintenance, not because of faults), and each time I get to listen in on Hyundai owners telling the service manager about all these problems like flat spots during acceleration, door not closing properly, rattling, reverse sensors failing etc.

I know that rationally speaking it doesn't necessarily mean Hyundai is a bad brand, but it has certainly turned me off their cars -- not that I find them particularly appealing anyway.

go to an independent. no fiat dealers for that. cam belt fix and service is all standard stuff.

This. Dealership service centres are designed to rip you off, that's their entire business model. I got hit by a $680 bill for my 2nd year 30,000km service for my 500. That's expensive even by my standards. Definitely thinking about going to an indie mechanic next time.
 
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I’ve had my TA500 for a year with 10,000 miles and absolutely nothing has needed fixing or gone wrong. It’s just had an oil change / annual inspection. What can one say other than wonderful!

The only thing that needed topping up is the washer fluid.
 
I think my girlfriend is having wobbles about her 500, it has had a few niggles which I've fixed, but she's just been hit with a £600+ quote for 54,000 mile service, cambelt and MOT! Plus the radio has stopped working and the air con needs a re-gas.

Mostly run of the mill stuff for a 6 year old car, but all happening at the same time isn't ideal.

£600+ is well over the top. When you consider that the cambelt and waterpump were changed (plus a full coolant change) along with the oil and filter on my 5 year old Saab 9-3 at an independent Fiat specialist (yes the diesel engine in the Saab is a Fiat engine!) for just £375, then you can see how the quote you've already been given, is, well, you work it out!

Edit: See the link beneath from JCS Kegworth about how much they charge for a cambelt on a 1.2 and 1.4 to give you an idea of the cost. Don't forget to get the waterpump done at the same time:

http://www.jcs-kegworth.co.uk/servicing/timing-belt-offers/

I don't know any garages at all in Coventry, but if you wanted to stick with an independent specialist who is used to working specifically on Fiats, then give these a call and see what they quote:

http://autocasa.co.uk/site/

Beneath is a review that I found on the Alfa Forum site:

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-147-156-andamp-gt/278254-autocasa-coventry.html

http://www.germanitalianservicecentre.co.uk/italian-cars.php

http://www.boschcarservice.co.uk/bosch-garages/west-midlands/coventry
 
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I’ve had my TA500 for a year with 10,000 miles and absolutely nothing has needed fixing or gone wrong. It’s just had an oil change / annual inspection. What can one say other than wonderful!

The only thing that needed topping up is the washer fluid.
make sure you check your oil, coolant levels and tire pressures often.
 
Ahmett: checking the usual weekly stuff (tyres, coolant, oil, fluid levels) goes without saying as it applies to every car you run.

The TA has been trouble free, the start-stop has worked without any issues, the air con is still fteezing cold if you turn it down, and best of all, it goes pretty well too... obviously not 0-60 in less than 10 seconds, but it's nippy enough!

The tales of woe people have had on the forum are not really counter balanced by folk who have nothing to say because nothing has gone wrong... one cannot log in every month to say "still nothing to report" as that's going to be boring.
 
Ahmett: checking the usual weekly stuff (tyres, coolant, oil, fluid levels) goes without saying as it applies to every car you run.

The TA has been trouble free, the start-stop has worked without any issues, the air con is still fteezing cold if you turn it down, and best of all, it goes pretty well too... obviously not 0-60 in less than 10 seconds, but it's nippy enough!

The tales of woe people have had on the forum are not really counter balanced by folk who have nothing to say because nothing has gone wrong... one cannot log in every month to say "still nothing to report" as that's going to be boring.
Yep, I've just broke the 10k miles in 8 months.....................and then nothing happened(y)

Very boring.
 
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