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Wee Smurf

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As you will be aware from my previous posts of late I have had timing problems. I just thought an update was required (now that I have calmed down a little bit). Long story!

In a nutshell, I had got the timing chain changed (as a precaution) at 71K last January and got it serviced in December as I had almost done my 12K miles since January.

The engine management light came on and went off again on the Saturday between Christmas and the New Year. The car then ran roughly and my usual (certainly no more!) garage was closed for at least another week for Christmas. I really can't do without my car so I took the car to the main dealership in Northern Ireland (Donnelly's at Mallusk) on Monday 30 December. I thought that it would be something simple related to the service and I can only praise the efforts that Donnelly's made in getting the car running again and it was also very decent of them to loan me a 500 while my Panda was off the road.

As the car presented as running, but very roughly like on 3 cylinders, they initially went through all the easier options of what could be wrong and even tried parts which if they didn't help, they removed and didn't charge me extra. As that didn't resolve the problem, they had to strip down the car and discovered it was the timing chain guide which had failed, and they replaced the whole timing set and checked everything was running correctly for a couple of days afterwards.

I paid for the repair and collected the car. Unfortunately bad luck mark 2 struck the next day and I had to return to get a new clutch installed.

I picked the car up last Tuesday and I must say the car is running the quietest I've ever heard it run. I reacquainted myself with the feel of new clutch which feels so much smoother.

Then on Saturday I was invited to a book launch in Newry. Unusually for me, I left the kids at home. So glad I did! Not even half way home, I felt something wasn't quite right with the rear driver side wheel. I suspected a wheel bearing and decided that I would call into A-One Tyres at Dromore which was roughly about 5 miles further up the road. However when I got as far as Dromore and indicated to turn in, I realised I had no brakes! The car didn't want to go in a straight line and I quickly went down the gears and steered to try and keep the car straight and successfully managed to pull off the road avoiding having an accident. I felt somewhat shaken up and having found somewhere safe to stop, I then called the AA. They arrived pretty quickly to the damsel in distress on her own. AA man asks about what happened and asks me to move over so that he can try out the brakes himself. Then he removes the rear driver-side wheel and removes the cover for the rear drum. Several small pieces of shoe lining fell out onto the ground. I had no mission of him being able to source parts mid afternoon on a Saturday so I was left without much option other than to be towed to an AA recommended garage. It was closed till Monday, but the AA man locked the car up safely till they re-opened on Monday. On Monday, the mechanic told me that it had been a gradual fail of the brake, that it had heated up quite a number of times before the fail (unfortunately I never smelt anything). The shoe itself had quite a bit of rust under where the lining would have been. I believe that should have been spotted in a full service! It didn't make me feel any better when I was told that quite often when the lining goes, it simply jams the wheel and you end up pirouetting down the road out of control! The shoes have been replaced (both sided) by the AA approved garage and I have the car back again. However I'm feeling somewhat paranoid about what's happened and have booked the car back into Donnelly's for a full safety check on Thursday.

With all that has happened I feel somewhat disappointed by it all. I don't feel comfortable driving the car at the minute and I'm wondering that after spending all that money on the car if I can ever love it again like I used to before all this happened. It's not as if I had skimped on anything. I always have got it regularly serviced at an approved garage, and got a full pre-MoT check and any work advised done prior to the MoT. It has always flown through the MoT here without any advisories at all. I never even got a "sorry" from the garage who carried out the servicing. :(

I'm now left feeling "what is going to break next"? :cry:
 
Yes. He's been with me since new (and I even picked the yellow too)!

It's just been a bit hard to accept that so many things have gone wrong since Christmas. It's cost me two small fortunes.

My main concern has to be safety. I don't want to risk the boys.

No matter what I decide right now, I'll stick with Pandas. Unfortunately Fiat don't do the new one in yellow, so I'll have to make do with orange instead in 4x4 and probably Twinair. I'd be wanting to repeat all the options I currently have (especially the sliding rear seat option). Possibly without the skydome though. Getting it smashed a few years back has made me think twice about it.
 
Hello Wee Smurf (love the name btw!).

Leaving the timing belt issue aside, which was just bad workmanship, I reckon that what has happened to the rear brakes could and does happen on any car.


You've had a run of bad luck and bad garage work, but by the sound of it Donelly's did you proud. If it's not too inconvenient I would have them check it over thoroughly, to re-build your confidence.

I am not an experienced Panda owner yet, but I have been working on my own cars for the last 12 yrs and have seen loads of bad garage work.

Just try to use the car to re-build your friendship with it and I'm sure you'll find things will settle down again.

The very best of luck to you,

Dave
 
I'm not that surprised, the factory brake friction material on these are poo.
Ours, the M' in Laws and my sister have all had short life out of the brakes. Chewing gum would have lasted longer.

They can be inspected as service and appear good, but that doesn't mean to say they'll be like that 12k later.

I wouldn't fit genuine pads or shoes again. Swap over to Pagid (Germany made) and they wear well.
EBC appear to make some decent brake parts as well.

In regards to the rest, it's all part of motoring, you spend your time and money looking after it for something else to break or wear out, then it's worthless at trade in time!

My other car has so many faults now, I can't fix them fast enough and for a bonus, the thing is starting to rust!
One legged man at an arse kicking tournament springs to mind.

I'm considering leasing or PCPing a replacement, new car for 36 months, then new car for 36 months and so on, let someone else deal with it after I've ruined it!
 
I've booked him into Donnelly's for tomorrow afternoon to get checked out. Maybe it might help me feel a little better about the car.
 
I'm home!

Anyway to update, Donnelly's have carried out a full health check-up on Dez now...

The results seem to point to very little checks (if any) having been carried out on my car at it's supposed full service before Christmas. It seems that I paid a lot of money for an oil and filter change...

Obviously the entire brake system requires no checking at service, as it's quite obvious to me that nothing regarding the brake system was checked!!! As you know the rear driver side shoe failed on me on Saturday. The rear brake cylinders are both leaking, so obviously cause and effect... The brake fluid itself was well past changing too so no check had been done on that either.

The rear shocks were leaking too and there was no mention of that either from the service. Donnelly's said that that job was not an immediate one, but it wouldn't pass an MoT on them...

I had asked Donnelly's to check the glow plugs as they had never been changed in the life of the car. Two of them were almost at failing point with the other two not far behind, but that's fair enough and to be expected given the fact they would be nine in May...

Along with a couple of other little things, that'll be another £500. He's turning out to be a dear wee car! I've just booked him in to have everything done next week.

I'm not sure about whether naming and shaming is permitted on this forum, but if anyone in the Belfast / Lisburn area is looking for a Fiat / Alfa Specialist, they can PM me and I'll certainly tell them where not to go to! :devil: Best to be safe and not sorry like me!
 
It is reading stories like this that make me wonder if I should bite the bullet and get a new car. However I will see how I get on.

With any car it is knowing when to change, the trick is to try and get rid of it just before all the problems start, the problem is most people only realise it was time to get rid after spending £100s on repairs.
 
I'm not sure about whether naming and shaming is permitted on this forum, but if anyone in the Belfast / Lisburn area is looking for a Fiat / Alfa Specialist, they can PM me and I'll certainly tell them where not to go to! :devil: Best to be safe and not sorry like me!

As long as its not lies, which it isn't, then I don't see why it wouldn't be. What they've failed to do has had serious implications, which could have been worse!

A Franchised main dealer is potentially going to find the hard way just how far I go to name and shame, just waiting for the legal side of things to finish first, but lets say I've discovered my insurance company don't charge any more for by car being sign written, and I do 20k+ miles a year, mostly within a 75 mile radius of home. Might be attending most italian car meets this year ;)
 
Get down the Belfast Met.
16 week evening course in car maintenance, 3 hours a week (6pm until 9pm) is £165
http://www.belfastmet.ac.uk/Default.aspx

Then you'll be able to tell the dodgy garages to F'off!

That started in September...

Don't think that husband would happily let me out every week. And if he did, he'd probably insist I sort his car out too... :p
 
It is reading stories like this that make me wonder if I should bite the bullet and get a new car. However I will see how I get on.

With any car it is knowing when to change, the trick is to try and get rid of it just before all the problems start, the problem is most people only realise it was time to get rid after spending £100s on repairs.

I had no reason to believe that there really was anything major wrong with my car...

I've owned it from new and it has a full service history. Basically everything that I believed my car needed was got for it. However it would appear that corners were cut along the way. I believed that JRC Auto in Lisburn had been fully looking after it over the last few years. However, the guides for the timing chain they fitted failed and they do not appear to have looked anywhere near the brakes when I asked for a full service before Christmas... As a result my car was left in a dangerous position.

My Panda is my second car in twenty years of driving. My previous Polo which the Panda replaced was passed on to my husband and when we had a second baby, we needed a bigger car, so the Polo went to his niece. It became a victim of the scrapage scheme at 17, although it was still running well at the time. Just because a car is old doesn't mean that a load of things will fail. Good regular maintenance should avoid that. There really wasn't much that went wrong with the Polo despite it's age. Besides my dad managed to get his Volvo 940 to a cracking 350,000 miles before it broke down on him and he gave up on it... I don't think I'll manage that with the Panda!!!

From believing something simple was wrong in the first place, I ended up on a slippery slope and the slope has been a very steep one! Once you commit to doing something, you just have to see it through. I know that I've spent at least the worth of my car because of this. At the end of the day, it is running and sounding much better than it has in years. If I had have decided at the start however to walk away, I would have had to replace it with something with all the essentials I love about my Panda as I kind of went a little bit overboard on the old optional extras (sliding rear seat, fog lights, etc) and that would have meant a new car which would have been a special order and by the time I specced one up to the standard I wanted (4x4 and all), I'd have been buying a £15K car, so I suppose I've spent just under £2K instead and hopefully all will be fine for a long time now.

Besides the new one doesn't come in yellow yet... :p
 
And suddenly I know why I like to do most work on my car myself;)
But like the (great) Kate Bush/Peter Gabriël song says: "Don't give up...".

Dez'll be as good as new.

gr J

You have me singing now... Perhaps that's not a good thing! :eek:
 
My car history has been pretty terrible:-
First car, a Fiesta I paid for to learn to drive in, had 6 months MOT but had terminal engine failure, I got it through the MOT by pouring in lots of stop smoke (the piston rings were shot). Had it for 9 months before the engine gave up but I only spent £90 to get it through the MOT so it was a very cheap car. Sold it for £60.

Second car, another Fiesta, this time had a great engine but soon released it was made of rust, kept it for two months before buying a 9 year old V plate top spec Corsa. It had all all the mod cons of the time (electric heated mirrors etc, electric power steering, 16v, electric windows etc etc) spent a fortune on that. I had it for 11 months in that time.

I had two front springs changed, two year shocks changed, new front brake pads, new MAF sensor (diagnosed and fitted myself), rear springs changed and just when I thought it was working well the head gasket blew! I had it 10 months so could not qualify for the scrappage scheme and by 11 months the scheme ended so I just got rid and bought a brand new Panda but got a bit discount so only cost me £1000 more, and I got £300 for my Corsa so really missing out on the scheme cost me just £700.

Had the Panda since then it has been brilliant until now, all I have needed is a new manifold hose (under warranty), clutch pedal needing work (under warranty), new front pads and new park plugs. I will wait and see what needs to be done to cure my current problem but I am worried it will just become another Corsa.

With your car, I would now keep it as you have spent too much, but the next time something fairly big goes wrong, fix it, sell it and get shot. Hopefully though your car will behave from now, and yours has 71,000 miles a lot more than mine, it is hopefully just down to a bad garage and not being a Friday afternoon car where all the workers were drinking Vodka while making it :D
 
I'm not sure about whether naming and shaming is permitted on this forum, but if anyone in the Belfast / Lisburn area is looking for a Fiat / Alfa Specialist, they can PM me and I'll certainly tell them where not to go to! :devil: Best to be safe and not sorry like me!

not only is it allowed its encouraged, there is a whole section for it https://www.fiatforum.com/garages/
 
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