Technical Horible Noice and vibrations

[Jaeson]

Good afternoon

I have a question about the noices on my fiat ducato 2.2 D100

We just installed a new engine new turbo oilcooler egr oilhouse starter clutch injectors+injector line and now we have this sounds comming from the engine they seam to get better when you accelerate but get worse in idle

 

[bugsymike]

Good afternoon

I have a question about the noices on my fiat ducato 2.2 D100

We just installed a new engine new turbo oilcooler egr oilhouse starter clutch injectors+injector line and now we have this sounds comming from the engine they seam to get better when you accelerate but get worse in idle
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A sort of droning noise?
Can you locate general area using a long screwdriver to your ear as a stethoscope?
Does it change when you press the clutch pedal?
I assume you mean "new to you" when you say new engine?

 

[Jaeson]

A sort of droning noise?
Can you locate general area using a long screwdriver to your ear as a stethoscope?
Does it change when you press the clutch pedal?
I assume you mean "new to you" when you say new engine?

Hello thank you for your help i Wil try that the sound also get les worse when i hold my hand against the oil pan and with new i mean i bought a overhauled engine so it should be brand new

 

[bugsymike]

Hello thank you for your help i Wil try that the sound also get les worse when i hold my hand against the oil pan and with new i mean i bought a overhauled engine so it should be brand new

If noise is where you say , I should sling it back for a refund, as if overhauled I wouldn't expect that!

 

[Jaeson]

If noise is where you say , I should sling it back for a refund, as if overhauled I wouldn't expect that!

Problem is its all ready in the car and to re do everything but i have a other question do you have a idea if the injectors on this model of 2008 need programming to work optimally?

Thank you for youre help and time

 

[bugsymike]

Problem is its all ready in the car and to re do everything but i have a other question do you have a idea if the injectors on this model of 2008 need programming to work optimally?

Thank you for youre help and time

The older Bosch injectors can be programmed using the code numbers on the top solenoid part, it may make slight difference in smoother running, but to be honest I have rebuilt those in the past and they have ran fine with no issues or programing and passed emission tests etc.
On the 2litre Scudo with the Peugeot engine they don't need it, I am assuming yours is the Ford type engine so not sure.
The smaller Fiat 1.3 and 1.6 engines it will make a slight improvement, but unlikely to solve the problem with your engine.
The later Piezo injectors I am not sure about.
What sort of warranty do you have on the engine rebuild?

 

[Jaeson]

The older Bosch injectors can be programmed using the code numbers on the top solenoid part, it may make slight difference in smoother running, but to be honest I have rebuilt those in the past and they have ran fine with no issues or programing and passed emission tests etc.
On the 2litre Scudo with the Peugeot engine they don't need it, I am assuming yours is the Ford type engine so not sure.
The smaller Fiat 1.3 and 1.6 engines it will make a slight improvement, but unlikely to solve the problem with your engine.
The later Piezo injectors I am not sure about.
What sort of warranty do you have on the engine rebuild?

That if its broken they just send me another one but its only the engine with nothing on it but they dont cover any other labor or parts i found out that i have 1 new injector with a leak so that is one problem found but now i also smell alot of exhaust fumes in the engine bay with visible smoke

This engine is making me crazy

 

[ZaphodB]

It's running a bit lumpy from the motion of the pipes to the right

A lot of engines need the injectors coding in (with the numbers on each injector as BugsyMike has said)

I'd be checking this first , and confirming the numbers match

 

[bugsymike]

That if its broken they just send me another one but its only the engine with nothing on it but they dont cover any other labor or parts i found out that i have 1 new injector with a leak so that is one problem found but now i also smell alot of exhaust fumes in the engine bay with visible smoke

This engine is making me crazy

So is it a rebuilt engine or just a second hand one?
Can you use one of your old injectors re leak, unless the leak is what is giving the exhaust smell/combustion leaking past the injector /head area.
Any other exhaust leaks are obviously down to you if you only got a bare engine from them.
So could be from the EGR pipe work, exhaust manifold/DPF/turbo area, etc. Sometimes if revved up whilst some one watching under the bonnet you may see the source of exhaust leak.
What was meant to have been done to the replacement engine?

 

[Jaeson]

So is it a rebuilt engine or just a second hand one?
Can you use one of your old injectors re leak, unless the leak is what is giving the exhaust smell/combustion leaking past the injector /head area.
Any other exhaust leaks are obviously down to you if you only got a bare engine from them.
So could be from the EGR pipe work, exhaust manifold/DPF/turbo area, etc. Sometimes if revved up whilst some one watching under the bonnet you may see the source of exhaust leak.
What was meant to have been done to the replacement engine?

Thank you for this information i wil look at all that and its a rebuild engine the reson for it is i brought tho a official dealer ship of fiat because of a broken spark plug after 2 months they told me that the engine doesnt turn anymore when i asked them how that was possible they simply said it was a old engine and it exploded in the shop it only had 140 k kilometers and they said it is our fault and dident want to fix there mistake when i got the the car home i checked the engine to find that when they drilled the spark plug they left a piece in the engine and it destroyed the main valves and cilinder head causing extreme engine failure

 

[bugsymike]

Thank you for this information i wil look at all that and its a rebuild engine the reson for it is i brought tho a official dealer ship of fiat because of a broken spark plug after 2 months they told me that the engine doesnt turn anymore when i asked them how that was possible they simply said it was a old engine and it exploded in the shop it only had 140 k kilometers and they said it is our fault and dident want to fix there mistake when i got the the car home i checked the engine to find that when they drilled the spark plug they left a piece in the engine and it destroyed the main valves and cilinder head causing extreme engine failure

You don't seem to have a lot of luck.
Sounds like pretty shoddy workmanship. If a piece they were drilling out dropped inside the engine , then common sense would say, tell the customer and give them the option to remove the cylinder head to correct the problem, not turn the key and destroy the engine!

 

[jackwhoo]

If it's the ford 2.2 the sump area is normally noisy / droning noise . More noticeable if on ramp.

 

[jackwhoo]

And the water pump drive can be noisy underneath too.

 

[bugsymike]

If it's the ford 2.2 the sump area is normally noisy / droning noise . More noticeable if on ramp.

It's not an engine I am familiar with, I know some diesels have a very pronounced induction noise.
Ideally standing next to it preferable.
Does engine run OK apart from the noise, which I am assuming is different from the old engine's noise?
Can you get advice from the engine rebuilder/reconditioner?
If they are genuine I am sure they will advise you if you say you are concerned.

 

[jackwhoo]

Hard to tell fully from video sound but bottom end sounds ok . Video from top shows engine definitely not running correctly but that could be a myriad of things not related to rebuilt engine.

Injectors do need to be coded to engine ecu for a fully smooth running engine- or use the injectors from original engine in the same cylinders.

The codes for each injector are on the electrical connector visible when loom plug removed from injector.

 

[bugsymike]

Hard to tell fully from video sound but bottom end sounds ok . Video from top shows engine definitely not running correctly but that could be a myriad of things not related to rebuilt engine.

Injectors do need to be coded to engine ecu for a fully smooth running engine- or use the injectors from original engine in the same cylinders.

The codes for each injector are on the electrical connector visible when loom plug removed from injector.

Re injector coding I did do it for Dave McT using my MaxiEcu diagnostic tool a while ago which he felt improved things on his 1.3 MJ, but rebuilt the early Bosch Solenoid injectors on my own stuff without coding and ran smoothly with good emissions etc. So maybe lucky.
On my Scudo with the Peugeot 2 litre engine I tried to see if an option on MaxiEcu for that model and it said it was not required.
I wonder if that is the same on the 2.2 engine if not a Fiat design?
Has any one tried it with that engine using MES on Forum who can advise?

 

[jackwhoo]

The ford 2.2 engine fitted to this ducato requires injector coding for full smoothness- or use the original injectors in the same cylinder locations as the ecu already knows their codes.
The suction control valve on the high pressure pump also needs"leaning" to the ecu . Or use the h.p. pump from original engine. Same for fuel rail pressure sensor, I hope the original poster used the original fuel rail not a different rail.

Sensitive to poor battery condition-if battery poor all sorts of strange running issues


From video it is definitely the ford engine