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Hi all, firstly I hope this is an ok place to post this thread, if not please move.

Now I'm all for doing stuff legally so thought I'd see what everyone's views are on the subject knowing there are some people that probably know the answer to this.

Now fitting a aftermarket HID kit to a car is illegal if certain thing's are not done. What are these things? Is it just a headlamp washing kit needing fitting :confused:

I'm possibly thinking of getting a HID kit for the Panda's as I'm soon to have a proper Fiat headlamps washing kit fitted to the Panda, and was wondering if this then makes fitting one of these kits legal?

I'm probably compleatly wrong, hence why I've come on here first to check :eek:

Many thanks. Jon.
 
from the department of transport.


Aftermarket HID headlamps

In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.


If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street Telephone: 020 7944 2078
London Fax: 020 7944 2196
SW1P 4DR Email: [email protected]
 
Definately a big no no if you were to fit them to standard Panda headlights because the light will be scattered all over the place blinding on coming drivers. I would only fit them to polyelliptical headlights.
 
as above Jon

need headlight washers,

need to be auto levelling,

headlamp needs to be HID Type approved (the coppers can check quite easy to check with a chart with the codes near the "(E) mark"

Also due to our outdated road lighting laws HID's aren't strictly legal in the uk as the road vehical lighting regulations haven't been amended for a couple of years, however as we come under the EEC umbrella there seems to be a bit of rule bending on cars that have approval in other parts of europe

(hell it took the Cycle Touring Club years of campaigning to make LED cycle lights legal)
 
Definately a big no no if you were to fit them to standard Panda headlights because the light will be scattered all over the place blinding on coming drivers. I would only fit them to polyelliptical headlights.

Why would the light be scattered everywhere? And what are polyelliptical headlights? :confused:
 
Why would the light be scattered everywhere? And what are polyelliptical headlights? :confused:

Because with normal headlights the spread of light is scattered everywhere, however the light from polyelliptical headlights is directional due to the lense!

The old Punto has polyelliptical headlights. The dipped beam has a lense which has a bulb behind it. The lense directs the light. The lense is the inside the red circle.
head1.JPG


If we then look at a Tipo light, you can see that the headlight casing basically works like a mirror, reflecting the light outward and upward!
head2.JPG


I fitted Marea polyelliptical headlights to my car.
bravo.JPG
The lights are far better than standard Bravo ones. They also look better!

If you were to drive under a bridge or under-pass your standard headlights would illuminate the underneath of the bridge, however polyelliptical headlights wouldn't, they use the bulbs light in a more effective and efficient way! Hope that makes sense!
 
Because with normal headlights the spread of light is scattered everywhere, however the light from polyelliptical headlights is directional due to the lense!

The old Punto has polyelliptical headlights. The dipped beam has a lense which has a bulb behind it. The lense directs the light. The lense is the inside the red circle.
View attachment 48850


If we then look at a Tipo light, you can see that the headlight casing basically works like a mirror, reflecting the light outward and upward!
View attachment 48851


I fitted Marea polyelliptical headlights to my car.
View attachment 48849
The lights are far better than standard Bravo ones. They also look better!

If you were to drive under a bridge or under-pass your standard headlights would illuminate the underneath of the bridge, however polyelliptical headlights wouldn't, they use the bulbs light in a more effective and efficient way! Hope that makes sense!

:yeahthat:

Think of them as spotlights aimed at the road, as apposed to floodlights which light up everywhere.
 
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