Her employer's in trouble, perhaps pointing out the european working time directive might be worthwhile
they only pay her for 8, she is still working now for the last 3 hours sat on the sofa
Gove's proposals for teachers
- Thread starter Dominion
- Start date
Currently reading:
Gove's proposals for teachers
they only pay her for 8, she is still working now for the last 3 hours sat on the sofa
OP
OP
The hours Mr Jip0 states appear to be fairly standard in my limited experience (only done placements in three schools so far). Some schools start earlier as studies show that learning is most effective in the morning (Mr Gove wants a longer school day - is he suggesting kids be in school at 7 or 7.30? That'll be a big hit with parents).
Teachers do get free periods sometimes. During these periods they tend to attempt to catch up on marking, chase resources for upcoming lessons, fill in endless ridiculous paperwork, systems of work, the list goes on. I don't think the free periods are deliberately timetabled to give teachers time away from teaching, rather timetables sometimes just happen to allow a teachers a free period.
Is Mrs Jip0 doing primary or secondary? If secondary, what subject?
There have always been people from within, or more usually without the teaching profession who've been trying to change the whole thing and turn it upside down. If it's not class sizes it's statistics; if it's not those it'll be something else.
Having said that, perhaps the teaching profession should have made more of an effort to explain teachers' role better. Lesson plans have become a bit of a cause celbre over the last few years, not only in classrooms but also in driving school cars. Perhaps lessons have been compromised on the altar of educational theory.
If schools were open longer teachers could still supervise classes and do their marking (or whatever they do at home) in the classroom. Kids would be in school rather than on the streets and could do their "homework" in class rather than at home. If they need extra tuition or have questions it could be done and questions answered then and there rather than in next week's lesson.
Our nextdoor neighbour is a physics teacher and his partner a lab technician. He's also in the school army cadet unit and she's in the air cadets which are both attached to the school and go away with the kids every summer for a fortnight and every Easter and also several weekends per year, so it could be said that he is already working (unpaid) in the interests of children above and beyond the normal school calender.
As for Eklipze's idea of a 2 branch education system, we used to have 2 different kinds of secondary schools, Grammar Schools and Technical Schools. My dad went to the latter and then apprenticed as a painter and decorator. Then he went to do his National Service and extended it for another 7 years.
For over a decade our education system seems to have been dedicated to ignoring our industrial heritage, and its future but concentrating on Media Studies, Tourism and local government careers.
Having said that, perhaps the teaching profession should have made more of an effort to explain teachers' role better. Lesson plans have become a bit of a cause celbre over the last few years, not only in classrooms but also in driving school cars. Perhaps lessons have been compromised on the altar of educational theory.
If schools were open longer teachers could still supervise classes and do their marking (or whatever they do at home) in the classroom. Kids would be in school rather than on the streets and could do their "homework" in class rather than at home. If they need extra tuition or have questions it could be done and questions answered then and there rather than in next week's lesson.
Our nextdoor neighbour is a physics teacher and his partner a lab technician. He's also in the school army cadet unit and she's in the air cadets which are both attached to the school and go away with the kids every summer for a fortnight and every Easter and also several weekends per year, so it could be said that he is already working (unpaid) in the interests of children above and beyond the normal school calender.
As for Eklipze's idea of a 2 branch education system, we used to have 2 different kinds of secondary schools, Grammar Schools and Technical Schools. My dad went to the latter and then apprenticed as a painter and decorator. Then he went to do his National Service and extended it for another 7 years.
For over a decade our education system seems to have been dedicated to ignoring our industrial heritage, and its future but concentrating on Media Studies, Tourism and local government careers.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2004
- Messages
- 25,218
- Points
- 3,672
It's what a lot of private sector workers have to do. I think teachers have it easy and have a good **** and moan over nothing. Full time salary for a job that's not even what the private sector would class as full time
. More than makes up for a little bit of marking / lesson planning (which they get allocated PPA time during school hours in most schools ).Don't get me wrong I do empathise with these people it must be f***ing boring teaching the same old c*** curriculum that some out of touch idiot has deemed relevant to our youth. Not only that but having to teach the "exam" rather than the subject must get frustrating.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2004
- Messages
- 25,218
- Points
- 3,672
pmsl that's an ignorent american idiot at their best!
Her employer's in trouble, perhaps pointing out the european working time directive might be worthwhile
you realise the government copped out on that?
it can and is regularly opted out from
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2004
- Messages
- 25,218
- Points
- 3,672
My friend is a teacher. Her school has introduced this stupid days ours of 8.30 till 2.30. I can't imagine what impact this has on the kids parents (probably not a lot round here with the amount of work shy lol)
My friend then has to stay an extra hour which they use to tutor for £30 p/h when she already gets a huge wage.
I can see that there is marking to do but I still think that they are over paid at a young age with very little expectation of them.
My friend then has to stay an extra hour which they use to tutor for £30 p/h when she already gets a huge wage.
I can see that there is marking to do but I still think that they are over paid at a young age with very little expectation of them.
very little expectation?
have you seen what children and teenagers are like these days?
have you seen what children and teenagers are like these days?
Every Job has its difficulties. That statement wouldn't be such an issue if teachers became teachers because they want to do their best to give the yout of today a good education rather than seeing it as an easy option.
i doubt many people see it as the 'easy option' (isn't that signing on) and every teacher and training teacher iv met do it because it is something they are passionate about and want to do
3 years doing a degree and an extra year for a PGCE isn't really easy, not to mention the mountain of debt specially now the fees have gone up.
3 years doing a degree and an extra year for a PGCE isn't really easy, not to mention the mountain of debt specially now the fees have gone up.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2004
- Messages
- 25,218
- Points
- 3,672
My heart bleeds.... I know people doing computer science degree's 3-4years depending on speciality and finishing uni to work in McDonalds on £12,000 a year
.
Well at least woking at Mc D's has no stress. A lot of professions you go to uni get in a load of debt and if by a small chance you can get a Job you start on £14k.
Thats not to mention how much somebody could climb the ladder in the 3 years they arent at uni.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2004
- Messages
- 25,218
- Points
- 3,672
That's what I was trying to get at but forgot. At least you don't pay back your student debt until your earning a half decent salary .
.
Iiirc A stift runner at Mc Donalds earns about 22-24k which is more than i get.
In catering (which I worked for years) you will be signing the opt out the 1st day you start. which makes the directive pointless:yeahthat:
I worked nearly 36 hours straight nearly a year ago
when they get my order wrong i make sure they get stressed!
OP
OP
I really don't understand how they are overpaid. The responsibility involved in looking after large groups of other people's kids whilst trying your best to teach them when the majority don't even want to be there, is absolutely immense. If the kids misbehave inside or outside school - teacher's fault. If the kids are a bit thick - teacher's fault. If a kid is getting bullied - teacher's fault. If the kid generally dislikes school - teacher's fault.....
Some teachers definitely go into the profession because they think it's an easy option. My course at uni is designed to weed out those types before they even make it as far as schools - 3 year degree course condensed into two years with a year's PGCE on top. They don't stick around for long if they aren't dedicated.
The teachers that go into the profession through other routes because they think it's the easy option are the teachers that rarely make it through their NQT year. If they do, they bail out soon after that, because it is not easy in any way whatsoever. The teachers that remain are the ones that do want to deliver a quality education to kids, and many of them are people like me who have worked for years in various jobs and never had any sense of achievement despite having been what others consider successful. When you're in a classroom and there's the quiet kid at the back of the room who wants to learn and understand but just doesn't get it, and you find a way to help them understand - the classic "penny-dropping moment", that's when the sense of achievement kicks in.
I've had a fair few jobs in my time including being self-employed, and even just the short periods of time I've been teaching on placement is by fair the hardest (and most rewarding) thing I have ever taken on.
My heart bleeds.... I know people doing computer science degree's 3-4years depending on speciality and finishing uni to work in McDonalds on £12,000 a year
If there was demand for people with computer science degrees, then maybe they wouldn't finish up working in McDonald's on £12000 a year. Maybe they should do their research first and consider the chances of getting a job relevant to their degree. It's like people bitching that they have a media studies degree but can't find a job - well how did they not see that coming? Just because someone has a degree, doesn't mean the world owes them something. These are usually the same people who think teachers have it easy because they can find jobs easily, but that is definitely not the case. It all depends on chosen specialism - supply and demand, just like any other job.
And as for the "Those who can't, teach" comment - try it
Apparently, it's an easy job with long holidays and short days, and teachers get way too much money for what they do. But if all that is true, and it's such an easy life, why isn't everyone doing it?
