General  Existential Crisis - advice welcome

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Jodsclass

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Hi Everyone.

I’ve not posted in a good while, this whole pandemic has really taken it out of me, especially my mental health & I'd like to ask some advice from fellow panda owners.

We've had our current panda, a 54 plate Dynamic for 7 years. We got it with only 20k miles on the clock and a good service record & I've serviced it every six months since. We are now sat at 90k miles. I've really maintained the panda, and the jobs list incudes two new cambelts, a new water pump, new front struts, new exhausts, brakes, exhaust brackets, cam seals and lots of other niggly bits. In the lockdown summer, I even stripped the infamous rear subframe with a wire brush and treated with rust converter and a liberal coat of waxoyl. Finally, in October, I had some rust cut out of the sills at the rear & had them professional welded so they are as good as new/ I've really babied this car & it's done us well. The only time it has let us down is when the impeller gave out on the water pump locally. Also had the odd issue with low voltage and the power steering light, but apart from that it's been solid.

My problem is that this last year has exacerbated my anxiety to new heights. I'm already a very anxious person due to personal history (hence the money & preventative work carried out on the panda through the years). Most of the time we pootle around here in Cornwall & the furthest we drive is 70 miles to Exeter now & then. However, my family live in Manchester which is 330 miles away & my wife's live in Dundee which is 700 miles away from home. We do the Scotland trip once a year & Manchester every 3-4 months. I used to do my checks & go, but now with my anxiety I'm constantly worried the car is too old & will fail. In my mind that failure will happen somewhere around Birmingham on the new smart motorway & being in a small panda we will surely be killed.

It has had me looking at newer cars & I've seen a nice 14 plate Fiat 500s locally. Same engine & running gear essentially so would be an easy transition, however is £5.5k and has done 45k with an already rusty as hell rear subframe and spring pans. My anxiety again is kicking in & I'm thinking should I spend that money for a very impressive but unknown car, or better the devil you know & trust the panda (plus save my money).

I know your first response will be to speak to a therapist, but I'd like your input, as you all run these cars on a regular basis. Am I being irrational? Should I just change the damn thing or stick with the panda & keep it going?

I'll leave you with the before & after shots of my lockdown summer rust removal & prevention. I look forward to your input.

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I commend you on sharing your feelings of anxiety, and the past 2 years has been added stress for all of us.

You look to have maintained your car to a very good standard, can you please one and rust proof mine like that?😃

It's always hard to know if a car should be replaced, but for me personally as a serial buyer of old bangers, condition and maintenance are far more important that age and mileage. I've had some lowish mileage cars that have been absolute disasters, and others with more miles under the wheels than the starship Enterprise have been great!

Sometimes in life the fear of something is greater than the actual reality. Yes, you "might" break down on a journey, but it's probably quite unlikely - you've lessoned the chances of that with good maintenance. If you bought a newer unknown car, how could you be sure it would be any more reliable than the one you have? And how are you going to feel about buying a car that you can see already need work?

Only you can make such decisions. Perhaps you can alay some of your anxiety by making sure you have a good level of breakdown cover, and have the car serviced before your longer trip.

Long trips on the motorway are far less wearing for a car than lots of shorter urban trips. Personally I keep any car I drive well serviced, and so I expect it to be able to drive wherever I want, when I want - short or long trips. I don't make any special preparations for a long trip because I make sure the engine is serviced and all levels are correct every week anyway.
 
Hi Everyone.

I’ve not posted in a good while, this whole pandemic has really taken it out of me, especially my mental health & I'd like to ask some advice from fellow panda owners.

We've had our current panda, a 54 plate Dynamic for 7 years. We got it with only 20k miles on the clock and a good service record & I've serviced it every six months since. We are now sat at 90k miles. I've really maintained the panda, and the jobs list incudes two new cambelts, a new water pump, new front struts, new exhausts, brakes, exhaust brackets, cam seals and lots of other niggly bits. In the lockdown summer, I even stripped the infamous rear subframe with a wire brush and treated with rust converter and a liberal coat of waxoyl. Finally, in October, I had some rust cut out of the sills at the rear & had them professional welded so they are as good as new/ I've really babied this car & it's done us well. The only time it has let us down is when the impeller gave out on the water pump locally. Also had the odd issue with low voltage and the power steering light, but apart from that it's been solid.

My problem is that this last year has exacerbated my anxiety to new heights. I'm already a very anxious person due to personal history (hence the money & preventative work carried out on the panda through the years). Most of the time we pootle around here in Cornwall & the furthest we drive is 70 miles to Exeter now & then. However, my family live in Manchester which is 330 miles away & my wife's live in Dundee which is 700 miles away from home. We do the Scotland trip once a year & Manchester every 3-4 months. I used to do my checks & go, but now with my anxiety I'm constantly worried the car is too old & will fail. In my mind that failure will happen somewhere around Birmingham on the new smart motorway & being in a small panda we will surely be killed.

It has had me looking at newer cars & I've seen a nice 14 plate Fiat 500s locally. Same engine & running gear essentially so would be an easy transition, however is £5.5k and has done 45k with an already rusty as hell rear subframe and spring pans. My anxiety again is kicking in & I'm thinking should I spend that money for a very impressive but unknown car, or better the devil you know & trust the panda (plus save my money).

I know your first response will be to speak to a therapist, but I'd like your input, as you all run these cars on a regular basis. Am I being irrational? Should I just change the damn thing or stick with the panda & keep it going?

I'll leave you with the before & after shots of my lockdown summer rust removal & prevention. I look forward to your input.

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Hi, yes tricky one, two ways around it, firstly I would personally hire a car for both trips, fairly inexpensive but peace of mind with a newer car and if it unfortunately fails to proceed its the problem of the hire company to get you another car to keep you moving. Secondly use the panda and get a really good breakdown cover, ie, replacement car, hotel rooms included should that car also fail to proceed. The cheaper ones piggy back you down the country, ask me how I know, it took me 17 hours to get home last time....
That dosent do away with smart motorways so Last but not least, fly then hire a car from the airport,visit in laws, take it back then fly home and get a taxi from the airport or drive your panda to and from the airport long stay carpark.
In laws living 700 miles away, every cloud....
 
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I commend you on sharing your feelings of anxiety, and the past 2 years has been added stress for all of us.

You look to have maintained your car to a very good standard, can you please one and rust proof mine like that?😃

It's always hard to know if a car should be replaced, but for me personally as a serial buyer of old bangers, condition and maintenance are far more important that age and mileage. I've had some lowish mileage cars that have been absolute disasters, and others with more miles under the wheels than the starship Enterprise have been great!

Sometimes in life the fear of something is greater than the actual reality. Yes, you "might" break down on a journey, but it's probably quite unlikely - you've lessoned the chances of that with good maintenance. If you bought a newer unknown car, how could you be sure it would be any more reliable than the one you have? And how are you going to feel about buying a car that you can see already need work?

Only you can make such decisions. Perhaps you can alay some of your anxiety by making sure you have a good level of breakdown cover, and have the car serviced before your longer trip.

Long trips on the motorway are far less wearing for a car than lots of shorter urban trips. Personally I keep any car I drive well serviced, and so I expect it to be able to drive wherever I want, when I want - short or long trips. I don't make any special preparations for a long trip because I make sure the engine is serviced and all levels are correct every week anyway.
Thanks for the reply. I know exactly what you mean about nightmare low mileage cars, we once had a polo on lease through work years ago, brand new & had so many niggling issues with it. Apart from that car, we've always had old cars & it's never really been a problem. I must have been braver at one point because we did 80k miles in a Land Rover freelander - which was a pig for repairs.

We do have nationwide recovery with Green Flag as part of our insurance & we've only ever called them out twice, once due to a flat battery when staying away from home & once because the keys got locked in the boot thanks to that pesky boot opening button on the key fob. Slammed the door and saw them locked in on the parcel shelf.

I do regular servicing like you say & check levels often. At 90k miles it doesn't even use much oil between serving, perhaps need a small topup every few months.

I've never had an issue before, but with the lockdowns, instead of doing a long journey every 3 months, it turned into over a year of just driving locally & now I'm overly paranoid about everything going wrong. Part of me knows the car is good & I should run it now until it actually starts to give trouble, I guess I'm just not as brave as I was before all this. It's a curse.

Also, with regards the rust proofing. It's surprising what a wire brush set and some hammerite products. Their waxoyl underseal worked wonders & has been going strong since. I did it on the driveway without any special tools as such, so worth the effort. I also took the steel wheels off and wire brushed the inside and the brake hubs to clear surface rust & generally tidy it up. After the small bit of welding, it flew through its latest MOT.

It’s good to get feedback from fellow owners & find out your experience.
 
Hi, yes tricky one, two ways around it, firstly I would personally hire a car for both trips, fairly inexpensive but peace of mind with a newer car and if it unfortunately fails to proceed its the problem of the hire company to get you another car to keep you moving. Secondly use the panda and get a really good breakdown cover, ie, replacement car, hotel rooms included should that car also fail to proceed. The cheaper ones piggy back you down the country, ask me how I know, it took me 17 hours to get home....
That dosent do away with smart motorways so Last but not least, fly then hire a car from the airport,visit in laws, take it back then fly home and get a taxi from the airport or drive your panda to and from the airport long stay carpark.
In laws living 700 miles away, every cloud....
We've rented cars before, which was great, but the prices have gone crazy. A quote from Enterprise was £474 for 5 days in their smallest class of car. Hertz was cheaper, but still the prices have skyrocketed.

We have flown before, but Newquay airport here in Cornwall only flies to Scotland or Manchester in summer & with Flybe going bust at Exeter our closest airport is Bristol, which is 150 miles ish away. So to factor in driving, airport parking & flights it starts to add up. We drive there for international holidays. Cornwall is a great place to live, but it is blessed with poor transport links.

We do have breakdown cover, but I might see if we can add hotel and hire car, that would be perfect for the few times a year we could possibly be far from home.

It's great living this far from the in laws, until you finally have to visit, and then it's all manner of arghh!
 
Thanks for the reply. I know exactly what you mean about nightmare low mileage cars, we once had a polo on lease through work years ago, brand new & had so many niggling issues with it. Apart from that car, we've always had old cars & it's never really been a problem. I must have been braver at one point because we did 80k miles in a Land Rover freelander - which was a pig for repairs.

We do have nationwide recovery with Green Flag as part of our insurance & we've only ever called them out twice, once due to a flat battery when staying away from home & once because the keys got locked in the boot thanks to that pesky boot opening button on the key fob. Slammed the door and saw them locked in on the parcel shelf.

I do regular servicing like you say & check levels often. At 90k miles it doesn't even use much oil between serving, perhaps need a small topup every few months.

I've never had an issue before, but with the lockdowns, instead of doing a long journey every 3 months, it turned into over a year of just driving locally & now I'm overly paranoid about everything going wrong. Part of me knows the car is good & I should run it now until it actually starts to give trouble, I guess I'm just not as brave as I was before all this. It's a curse.

Also, with regards the rust proofing. It's surprising what a wire brush set and some hammerite products. Their waxoyl underseal worked wonders & has been going strong since. I did it on the driveway without any special tools as such, so worth the effort. I also took the steel wheels off and wire brushed the inside and the brake hubs to clear surface rust & generally tidy it up. After the small bit of welding, it flew through its latest MOT.

It’s good to get feedback from fellow owners & find out your experience.
From what you say, I think the car can do it but it's you that has doubts due to the long time between doing the trips.
Build yourself up to it, get on the A38 and go to Exeter and back, then maybe next time, do a bit more up the M5, then next time a bit further etc etc. Build yourself up to it, get used to it again.
 
We've rented cars before, which was great, but the prices have gone crazy. A quote from Enterprise was £474 for 5 days in their smallest class of car. Hertz was cheaper, but still the prices have skyrocketed.

We have flown before, but Newquay airport here in Cornwall only flies to Scotland or Manchester in summer & with Flybe going bust at Exeter our closest airport is Bristol, which is 150 miles ish away. So to factor in driving, airport parking & flights it starts to add up. We drive there for international holidays. Cornwall is a great place to live, but it is blessed with poor transport links.

We do have breakdown cover, but I might see if we can add hotel and hire car, that would be perfect for the few times a year we could possibly be far from home.

It's great living this far from the in laws, until you finally have to visit, and then it's all manner of arghh!
Lol, just take your time, do a little trip on the A38 then back home, maybe to the M5 next and back, then maybe up to bridgwater next then home etc etc, you just need to get your confidence back. Just take your time, little steps will work
 
My anxiety again is kicking in & I'm thinking should I spend that money for a very impressive but unknown car, or better the devil you know & trust the panda (plus save my money).
I'd have more confidence in doing that journey in your existing Panda than some unknown 8yr old 500 I'd just bought off a forecourt.

I suggest you save your money.
 
If it helps at all, I'd have zero concerns setting off on a long journey in your Panda, seeing how well you've maintained it :)

As she's sailed through her MoT that indicates steering, suspension & brakes are all in good condition. The engines are tough & capable of high mileages - 90k is nothing for these.

I certainly don't think she's too old. I also have a 54 plate Dynamic (on 105k miles) - I think of mine as quite a new car! (by my standards - I'm more used to old cars) I plan to keep her for many years yet. Had a great trip through France, Belgium, Holland and the UK last September and the Panda didn't skip a beat.

That said, for long motorway slogs I prefer the train.
 
I have spent the last two years doing a weekly commute from Devon (near Exeter) along A303 to London in my 100HP. 175 miles each way plus any driving wheel there. I don't take silly risks but also don't hang about and the road is crap to say the least. The car (now showing 126,000 miles) has been great but now needs new front shocks top to bottom, new rear springs and the brakes need new pads and rear discs for the MoT. The exhaust is also looking rough. Though no gas leaks so that might be ok for MoT.

Work done in no particular order -
Rear shocks and 500 springs and Fiat Coupe bump stops​
Rear axle stripped and zinc metal sprayed​
Cam belt​
Clutch (due to leaking seal)​
Gear shift and drive shaft oil seals​
Wheel bearings all around (TBH the fronts were ok).​
Front bottom arms​
Alternator​
Rear brake calipers, pads and discs​
Front discs and pads​
Braided brake hoses.​
Made a bracket for catalyst outlet pipe​
Welded broken exhaust stub from the catalyst outlet.​
Made a much better support bracket for the catalyst outlet pipe.​

My point? It's been absolutely fine but frankly a 1.2 would have been just as happy and cheaper to run into the bargain. We regularly do most of that run visiting my daughter and that's usually in the 1.2 as it benefits from the long drive.

The Panda will eventually meet it's maker. However a newer car will feel nice for a while but before long, all you notice is the monthly repayment cost. Additionally right now, new cars are never sold below list price and used cars are silly money. Keep the Panda and make sure you have breakdown cover. Mine is attached to my insurance and worked well last time I needed it (not the Panda though).
 
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I've seen plenty of broken down cars on lane 1 with the overhead signs still showing lane open. I believe drivers have become savvy and aware that smart motorways are not very smart and drive cautiously. I actually believe that UK drivers on the whole drive quite well except for drivers in London, Birmingham, Manchester and Bradford.
If I see a broken down car on a smart motorway with the lane still showing open then I call 999, and the cars I see are modern cars.
The Panda is a simple car so less likely to go.wrong, and my 19 plate company vehicle which I've had since new has broken down twice, once which was on the M42 near Loughborough.
 
Better the devil you know, use the panda you know and trust, backed up by a breakdown service which you are unlikely to need . as for smart motorways, I avoid them like the plague, when travelling to or from Scotland to Plymouth I use the A49 which bypasses everything from Bristol to Warrington, even the Severn bridges are free now. Although time wise it takes longer (not in the summer or if there has been an accident on the M5/M6), its a far more pleasant journey than the drudgery of sitting on a Motorway and more akin to driving on the roads you are used to.
 
As many here are saying, I think you are probably better to stay with "the devil you know". Especially as you seem to be going well above and beyond in terms of regular maintenance and repair and aren't aware of any impending problems.

I can really sympathize with your increased feelings of anxiety. When I was young I was supremely confident in my ability to do pretty much anything and I thought I was virtually invincible! However since I retired I find my anxiety levels increasing - maybe because I'm not rushed off my feet every day and now have enough time on my hands to "worry". Worst time for me is first thing in the morning just as I'm waking up. I tend not to sleep so well these days and often wake an hour or so before normal getting up time and that's when the "what ifs" set in. I worry about my children and "invent" problems which may befall them and their families. I worry about the central heating breaking down after it did so some 4 years ago and left us without any heating, in the depths of winter, for nearly 3 weeks (ceilings had to be cut into and blocked pipes cut out and replaced). I worry because I can't buy smoke and fire alarms to comply with the new Scottish regulations - no one has stock except a very few who are blatantly profiteering. I worry the car may break down next time we drive to Devon and back and try not to think about the "not so" smart motorways. and so on. I think the above ideas to take some local more lengthy drives would do you good and build your confidence but also it would "test" the car over a longer distance which might reveal if there was something you need to look at before undertaking the "big one"?

I think a lot of this is directly a function of getting old and reduced physical ability. I find I get a big boost from successfully completing a task of some sort whether it's a big deal like undertaking a major job on one of the vehicles, replacing rotted off fence posts or something much easier like sorting my granddaughter's dolly's pram. I think the fear of catching Covid has had something to do with it because my wife very nearly died with flue which induced pneumonia just weeks before the pandemic got going a couple of years ago. I'm not really so worried for myself as I think I would get ill - so I'd rather not get it - but probably fight it off (I got the same flue as her but was nothing like so ill) I'm literally terrified she might get the covid as I'm convinced it would finish her. This definitely pulls me down worrying about it nearly all the time.

09 johno I have friends who live in the midlands (Kidderminster/Stourbridge which we get to on the A449. Although I don't know the roads well, we've sometimes detoured along the A449 to get round jams on the motorway. Never tried the A49 though. two or three times a year we are heading from Scotland, down the M6 onto the M5 and onwards down into the west country - ultimate destination Barnstaple. How much longer would using the A49 rather than the M6/M5 add to the trip do you think? We're planning on a trip down sometime in the spring once the worst of the winter is over.
 
I used to regularly do the routs from Stafford to Pontypridd (just North of Cardiff on the A470). I used M6-M5-M4 and the slower A roads down the border country. Overall M6, M5, A49, M4 was the most reliable either on a bike or in a car. The border roads are much prettier but when you simply want to arrive it just gets stressful.

Going to the West Country from the wast side of Scotland I would avoid peak time motorway black spots (aka Manchester to Birmingham), but otherwise just stick to the motorways. They are the safest roads and there are ample opportunities to stop and rest when necessary.
 
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I share your concern regarding 'Smart' motorways, ever since I saw a foreign registered HGV driving at speed down what was the hard shoulder, ignoring the red 'X'. The RAC has a list of Smart Motorways, which I use when planning my trips, and leave and rejoin the motorways in such a way as to avoid them. See: https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/driving-advice/smart-motorways/
Good luck
 
Anyone know - If you have a puncture on the motorway I would assume that trying to change it on the hard shoulder would be most unwise indeed but if you made it to one of these refuge areas, where you are completely out of the traffic flow, are you then allowed to change it? My guess would be probably not, but I'm just wondering?
It is doubtful that you can change a tyre in one of these refuge areas - the advice given is that once in a refuge area, you should switch on your hazard warning lights, all occupants should then exit the vehicle from the passenger side and stand behind the crash barrier.
 
Anyone know - If you have a puncture on the motorway I would assume that trying to change it on the hard shoulder would be most unwise indeed but if you made it to one of these refuge areas, where you are completely out of the traffic flow, are you then allowed to change it? My guess would be probably not, but I'm just wondering?
The refuge area allows you to change your wheel (if you have one and not a bottle of glue) it's not against the law but the police and breakdown services would prefer the recovery people to do it because of the warning lights on the recovery truck and you can then wait behind the barrier etc etc and they want to get you off there ASAP in case another car or truck need it so my RAC worker mate says
 
The refuge area allows you to change your wheel (if you have one and not a bottle of glue) it's not against the law but the police and breakdown services would prefer the recovery people to do it because of the warning lights on the recovery truck and you can then wait behind the barrier etc etc and they want to get you off there ASAP in case another car or truck need it so my RAC worker mate says
I would recon I could have the wheel changed (always got a car with a spare) almost by the time my Mrs could have rung the breakdown people on her mobile or the refuge emergency 'phone - most likely long before the breakdown people could be with me. I believe you mustn't leave a refuge until authorized to do so though and you can be penalized if you do?
 
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