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waynegts said:
The head will fit the 1108cc block, but the head will restrict the headflow more than the 1108cc head. If the 60s block is the non fire version, it wont fit
a 60 would be a 1242 block?
i dont know about unos, but the punto 55(1108cc) head is identical to the punto 60 (1242cc) head.
an uno 45 is..what 999cc FIRE?
i dont know about unos, but the punto 55(1108cc) head is identical to the punto 60 (1242cc) head.
an uno 45 is..what 999cc FIRE?
arc said:
yea the 999cc FIRE is the 45, the older carb 60s was a 1108cc FIRE putting out 57bhp, then when they went to fuel injection and lost a bit so dropped to 54bhp just like the cinq engines. they never made a 1242 uno
i'll shurrup then
arc said:i'll shurrup then
you're correct in saying the 1108 and 1242 FIRE SPI heads are the same though
indeed, good thing i covered myself by saying i dont really know about unos. last uno i drove the engine looked like this:
https://www.fiatforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=811&cat=500&ppuser=2107
https://www.fiatforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=811&cat=500&ppuser=2107
arc said:indeed, good thing i covered myself by saying i dont really know about unos. last uno i drove the engine looked like this:
https://www.fiatforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=811&cat=500&ppuser=2107
what on earth did you do to that!? (obvisouly caught fire )it belonged to my step mother, wiring fault is all we could come up with. It did some crazy things (like jammed the starter motor on!), kept restarting itself before bursting into flames.. at a petrol station
I got to drive it home afterwards, with only a handbrake to stop me hitting the back of the car towing me!
I got to drive it home afterwards, with only a handbrake to stop me hitting the back of the car towing me!
Catseyes
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luke1985 said:you're correct in saying the 1108 and 1242 FIRE SPI heads are the same though
Are you 100% sure on this? Because I don't think so however cannot proove it so will not comment further.
However the 60 head and the inlet with carb should fit with eachother, however the standard carb would not be able to supply enough fuel on its own especially if you modify the car further.
I know of someone that used the punto 75 engine with the injectors in place still (so no holes) and used a panda carb setup and got quite a good result, however this was a kit car.
Good luck with the conversion.
Emma.
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the way to sort fire engines out is to use motorbike carbs.ask richard at WOLF RACING DIRECT.He's built some devilish fire engines.Catseyes said:
Catseyes said:
Ahh you're talking about the firefly?
The punto 75 and the punto 60 use different heads, the punto 55 and punto 60 use the same heads (pretty sure of it anyway). All the heads are pretty much interchangable anyway
punto 55 and punto 60 (ie 1108cc and 1242cc SPI) engines use them same head
usinga a punto 75 head and inlet manifold and blocking the injectors up is a BAD idea. The punto75 inlet manifold is a dry type, it is not suppose to have fuel entering it through a SPI/carb type unit - it will suffer from fuel pooling in the inlet.
usinga a punto 75 head and inlet manifold and blocking the injectors up is a BAD idea. The punto75 inlet manifold is a dry type, it is not suppose to have fuel entering it through a SPI/carb type unit - it will suffer from fuel pooling in the inlet.
Catseyes
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Your right that is why he used the panda setup (read posts properly mate).arc said:
"All the heads are pretty much interchangable anyway "
Not pretty much, they just are, it is a feature of them being part of the fire concept design.
"the way to sort fire engines out is to use motorbike carbs.ask richard at WOLF RACING DIRECT.He's built some devilish fire engines"
1 he hasn't made anything special to my knowledge or that can be proven to perform as claimed.
2 after the recent article and subsequent posts of UAD/WDR I don't think he will be getting any business for a while, many of the puntosport readers are writing to the magazine.
3 motorbike carbs? I presume you mean the busa throttle bodies on TBsei's sei that has throttle bodies that peak flow after 9k but it revs below this - yeah really clever (note to andrew ellsome - make them longer or swap them with variable length throttle bodes) :bang:
"The punto 75 and the punto 60 use different heads"
Didn't claim they were the same, I know they are different, I have installed both on cars, however I am not convinced that the 55 and 60 heads are the same unless someone has some technical data to support this, forgive me but your word means nothing to me.
People love to jump the gun! lol
:yuck: :bang:oi
i did read them properly. panda setup or not if you aint using the injectors that are in place, then you must be putting air/fuel mix in where the air goes in (like an SPI or carb setup..in fact, you've said - using a panda carb) doing this will result in fuel pooling.
Tom (AofB) uses a 1242 with his old 1108 head on there.
Also, you did kinda contradict urself there
yet
so which is it? they can't be completly (read, not pretty much) interchangeable if they're not the same can they.
i did read them properly. panda setup or not if you aint using the injectors that are in place, then you must be putting air/fuel mix in where the air goes in (like an SPI or carb setup..in fact, you've said - using a panda carb) doing this will result in fuel pooling.
Tom (AofB) uses a 1242 with his old 1108 head on there.
Also, you did kinda contradict urself there
yet
so which is it? they can't be completly (read, not pretty much) interchangeable if they're not the same can they.
Catseyes said:People love to jump the gun! lol
People also look way too much into whats been said, considering the answer to this thread was said a long time ago
And the reason he said using about the 75 inlet is because you mentioned leaving the injectors installed - which says that the 75 inlet was used as the panda never used an MPi setup
Catseyes
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Look guys, I dont know why you are ganging up on me.
All fire heads are interchangable with all fire blocks - FACT - this is well known.
I have previously said that I am not convinced the 55 and 60 are the same as in the port sizing and the valve sizing because nobody has yet to prove this.
The 75 engine I spoke of uses the panda manifold and panda carb. I am aware of the terms you speak of however this is not my engine, but someone I know and I go by what he told me he has done.
I also know of one 1242 60 engine which uses the fiat punto mk1 diesal turbo inlet manifold that has been cut and welded in places to house twin webbers.
I don't know if you guys heard of the pandamonium.
Anyway the thread has been answered.
Ya big bullies lol
All fire heads are interchangable with all fire blocks - FACT - this is well known.
I have previously said that I am not convinced the 55 and 60 are the same as in the port sizing and the valve sizing because nobody has yet to prove this.
The 75 engine I spoke of uses the panda manifold and panda carb. I am aware of the terms you speak of however this is not my engine, but someone I know and I go by what he told me he has done.
I also know of one 1242 60 engine which uses the fiat punto mk1 diesal turbo inlet manifold that has been cut and welded in places to house twin webbers.
I don't know if you guys heard of the pandamonium.
Anyway the thread has been answered.
Ya big bullies lol
No bullying intended
according to...
http://smokeme.coconia.net/stock_engine_specs.htm
the 999cc and 1008cc heads on the carb models are exactly the same
Theres no info on the 1242 head, so no definate figures for you But there are figures for thr 999cc and 1108cc
according to...
http://smokeme.coconia.net/stock_engine_specs.htm
the 999cc and 1008cc heads on the carb models are exactly the same
Theres no info on the 1242 head, so no definate figures for you
But there are figures for thr 999cc and 1108ccCatseyes
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luke1985 said:No bullying intended
according to...
http://smokeme.coconia.net/stock_engine_specs.htm
the 999cc and 1008cc heads on the carb models are exactly the same
Theres no info on the 1242 head, so no definate figures for you
So that has nothing to do with the 55 and 60 heads then does it.
Also no offence to your source of info but the said "smokeme" didn't know that the 8v and 16v 1242 blocks were different...
Arc is quite right with what he is saying. 999, 1108 SPI, 1242 SPI heads are the same.
On the 60s Uno front there is at least two engines that fit the power description depending on how old they are. As far as I remember the 1116cc engine came near the power and there was also a 1299cc engine othe than the FIRE 60.
Obviously if the bottom end of the 60s is a FIRE you can use the 45 FIRE head without problems.
On the 60s Uno front there is at least two engines that fit the power description depending on how old they are. As far as I remember the 1116cc engine came near the power and there was also a 1299cc engine othe than the FIRE 60.
Obviously if the bottom end of the 60s is a FIRE you can use the 45 FIRE head without problems.
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