General Engine swap Q's for an '88 4x4

[Chas Uno]

Hi,
I also want to swap my engine on my 4x4 panda 1990. I have the opportunity to buy a 1400 cc turbo from uno. I would like to know if this could be a direct swapping, I mean, if the engine would directly bolt on the gearbox???

No, no, and no.

In theory, I've read that every fire engine bolt on every gearbox which was previously fitted (from factory) with a FIRE engine.

The Uno Turbo engine isn't a FIRE engine. It's the older non crossflow Lampredi engine that first saw the light of day in the Fiat 128. It's a completely different design to the FIRE and a lot heavier.

Can somebody help me ??? Because i don't find on the net if it's a fire motor...

That's 'cos it isn't

Thought the UT was a 1300?

The mk1 UT was either 1299 or 1301cc depending on the year and the mk2 UT was 1372cc.

Anyone got that link to the UT engined Panda thread that was here recently? My brain is too fried to do a search right now

 

[Crashtest33]

Hi again

Just refreshing this issue a few weeks down the line as 1242 8v punto engines are rife.

As the '88 4x4 box will fit directly onto this engine, I can't be bothered to mess around with using the carb.

Can I install the complete 1242 engine into the 4x4? (ecu, electrics, loom)

Cheers chaps

(I'll be on to you about that box soon Alan)

 

[Alan.D]

Doubt there will be much choice you'll have to fit all of the electrics (bloody nightmare if you ask me )

But I'm sure Damon will help sort it out.

 

[mightysisley]

Hi again

Just refreshing this issue a few weeks down the line as 1242 8v punto engines are rife.

As the '88 4x4 box will fit directly onto this engine, I can't be bothered to mess around with using the carb.

Can I install the complete 1242 engine into the 4x4? (ecu, electrics, loom)

Cheers chaps

(I'll be on to you about that box soon Alan)

Was just thinking that as I was reading through the post get the 1242 mpi with its loom out of a punto 75sx. Can quite imagine 75 bhp will be quite entertaining in 4x4 panda. Used to have a punto 75sx was quite nippy. Panda should accelerate like a bitch with that lump in with its much lower gearing

 

[Crashtest33]

The car'll be stripped bare anyway, engine n all. So replacing the engine with a different on wouldn't be too tough would it?
The only annoying bit that I can think of, would be all the plactic loom clips in the wrong place in the engine bay.

Also where the front and rear looms meet each other (unless I'll have to use the complete loom from the punto (ignition n all)

Cheers

Just tell me to stop being a twodge and just put in the 1108 fire.

 

[Alan.D]

Don't know if there will be a problem with keys and the ECU as the ECU has to registed the key before switching off immobiliser?

Got to admitt I'm not that clued up on that type of stuff, Would happily swap a V12 BMW engine but electrics to that extent I couldn't be bothered with

 

[panda-sport]

The car'll be stripped bare anyway, engine n all. So replacing the engine with a different on wouldn't be too tough would it?
The only annoying bit that I can think of, would be all the plactic loom clips in the wrong place in the engine bay.

Also where the front and rear looms meet each other (unless I'll have to use the complete loom from the punto (ignition n all)

Cheers

Just tell me to stop being a twodge and just put in the 1108 fire.

When you get the punto engine you will need the code box, its ariel and a key so the imobiliser will work (some 75's are not fitted with an imobiliser I believe ). While you don't need most of the dash loom it makes life easier as you can chop out all but the six or so wires that you need to make a small flying loom.

The Punto(mk1) engine loom places the ecu on the engine side wing (a bit busy in a 4x4) an the main loom connector by the heater box on the spare wheel side (hidden under the heater/dash cover).

As the 4x4 is carbed you will have to add wiring (relay controled from the ignition ) for an electric fuel pump. Beevers list a 4x4 injection fuel tank which maybe worth a look. The fuel lines will also need replacing. Looking at the fuel tank sender on carbed Pandas it looks like it also acts as a swirl pot so you may be able to hook the fuel pump up directly to this

Just take your time, its all pretty simple cheers Damon

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Don't know if there will be a problem with keys and the ECU as the ECU has to registed the key before switching off immobiliser?

It's fine as long as the imobiliser key is on the same keyring I think.

 

[The Sultan]

It's fine as long as the imobiliser key is on the same keyring I think.

no jut get a pre code 1.1 ecu from 1994 punto ecu and loom(the loom can be 1.1 1.2 both the same) is all you need even new from a dealer this would be a mear 100 quid for the ecu

then split the single injector into 4 if you want to use the mpi 1.2 or leave as is if you using spi

then all you need to wire up is a few things like ignition live cranking live temp signal for light or guage oil pressure light signal charging light

remember the 1.1 ecu will run a 1.2 8v perfectly fine ask seicento people

 

[Alan.D]

Just take your time, its all pretty simple cheers Damon

Yeah right :nutter:

 

[Crashtest33]

Exellent, so;

1242cc SPi engine
Loom from a Seicento 1108 SPi
Fiat Panda 4x4
Electric fuel pump
lojack wire the Dash and cabin electrics

Done

:slayer:

 

[panda-sport]

Loom from a Seicento 1108 SPi

Why? If your going spi you could use the Panda spi loom and mount the ecu under the dash as original.

What ecu are you going to use?
If you don't use a matching ecu you may have to budget £200+ for a remap.

 

[The Sultan]

Why? If your going spi you could use the Panda spi loom and mount the ecu under the dash as original.

What ecu are you going to use?
If you don't use a matching ecu you may have to budget £200+ for a remap.

because the panda ecu multiplug is diferent and is mounted in the car and some of the bits and bobs on the throttle body are diferent so diferent loom also a panda 1108 ecu would not run a 1242 very well
were as the punto ecus will as there was both engines fitted to that car and the ecu was common to both

so if your using 1242 spi

you need either a 1242 or 1108 loom from punto to match the punto ecu there both the same

you need 1108 punto ecu because these are the most common uncoded ones

at that time in 1994 the 1242 was only an auto

and were on earth are you guna find an auto 1242 uncoded anyway so look for 1108

the plugs on both ecus are the same in fact they are the same ecu

it should be easy to find a scrapped 1108 punto s on 94 reg

if you have to go coded as cant find uncoded ecu

you need matching ecu code box key or chip from it and the erial that's it and the plug from the harness cut off going to the code box for you to solder into

then you need to do a little simple wiring a 3 year old could do

the code box needs 1 wire to ecu for signal /earth/permenant live/switched live then plug the erial into it and tape the chip or key inside the arial and hide it in the dash somewhere seperate from the panda ignition wiring

the code box also has one pin for the code light then to earth you can ignore this pin

then when the panda ignition is turned it will power the code box read the code and allow the ecu to start what ever engine you have

remembering again that either 1108 or 1242 electrics will both run the 1242 engine

i do infact have myself a 1242 spi engine loom ecu code box arial and red key if your intrested give me a pm i'll only ask 30 quid for the lot

 

[crayon]

Originally posted by panda-sport.

Not even close The 1.1 engine was fitted to latter LHD pandas. The 1242 8v and 16v will fit as will the 1400 16v and in theory the 130bhp/150bhp starjet turbos.

I find this a little stange as i used to own a 1.1 injection Panda Selector on an M plate in right hand drive

 

[Alan.D]

Most selecta's were 1.1i but as it's auto the ECU would be different than for a manual. Probably why P-S never mentioned it.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Most selecta's were 1.1i but as it's auto the ECU would be different than for a manual. Probably why P-S never mentioned it.

I think the ECU's will work in a manual. They have a seperate ECU for gearbox control, and the way the dealership service manual I have is worded, the engine ECU has the pin's on it for 'optional' gear box ECU.

So it could work perfectly well with a manual gearbox.

 

[Alan.D]

I stand corrected, well actually no I'm sitting

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

I stand corrected, well actually no I'm sitting

Well I don't know, as said, it was only the impression I got from reading it

But out of all the ECU pin's only 2 or 3 are used to link the gearbox ECU, so there can't be that much comunication between the two.

Possible engine and road speed plus something else? I don't know. But could be more.

 

[panda-sport]

Originally posted by panda-sport.

Not even close The 1.1 engine was fitted to latter LHD pandas. The 1242 8v and 16v will fit as will the 1400 16v and in theory the 130bhp/150bhp starjet turbos.

I find this a little stange as i used to own a 1.1 injection Panda Selector on an M plate in right hand drive

The original question that this was the answer to was what was the biggest fire engine that would bolt onto the manual gearbox, hence my reply. It great to be quoted out of context

Originally Posted by Crashtest33
I would like to swap it for the largest FIRE engine that'll fit straight in and onto the 4x4 box. (guessing its my Seic engine)

Not even close The 1.1 engine was fitted to latter LHD pandas. The 1242 8v and 16v will fit as will the 1400 16v and in theory the 130bhp/150bhp starjet turbos.

 

[Dave Henry]

I am currently going through the pain of a 1242 mpi conversion using a punto 75 ecu and loom.

Engine is in and most of the wiring sorted.




I understood that you could decode the ECU? As I got the car from a breaker, I dont have the red key etc.