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dont buy any car fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
all new diesels have a DPF?????
all new diesels have a DPF?????
Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
any reason behind this ludicrous statement?
any reason behind this ludicrous statement?
Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
use the car correctly and the DPF wont block up. the DPF problem is common to all modern diesels. if it cant heat up sufficiently it cant regenerate.
dont blame car manufacturers, its european emission regs that created this problem.
use the car correctly and the DPF wont block up. the DPF problem is common to all modern diesels. if it cant heat up sufficiently it cant regenerate.
dont blame car manufacturers, its european emission regs that created this problem.
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
What are you getting at? You ask for others to comment without putting across your own view- just a ludicrous statement?
What are you getting at? You ask for others to comment without putting across your own view- just a ludicrous statement?
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
I have a good reason for asking this, I sold a doblo 1.3 mj 2 weeks ago, that was 2 years and 2 weeks old, the dpf has failed on the new owner, ITS NOT COVERED UNDER warranty, and hes got to pay £1300 to fix it, the cars only done 27k miles.
I have a good reason for asking this, I sold a doblo 1.3 mj 2 weeks ago, that was 2 years and 2 weeks old, the dpf has failed on the new owner, ITS NOT COVERED UNDER warranty, and hes got to pay £1300 to fix it, the cars only done 27k miles.
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
Caveat Emptor.... Modern diesels dont like persistent short journeys which dont allow the DPF to get hot enough to regenerate (burn off particulates).
Its sods law, bad luck... whatever. But would happen to ANY make, not just Fiat, so the Thread title is unfair to say the least. Maybe should read :-
"In bobians opinion, no-one should buy any car with a DPF especially if the original user did mostly short journeys" Hmmmm doesnt read well does it...
Caveat Emptor.... Modern diesels dont like persistent short journeys which dont allow the DPF to get hot enough to regenerate (burn off particulates).
Its sods law, bad luck... whatever. But would happen to ANY make, not just Fiat, so the Thread title is unfair to say the least. Maybe should read :-
"In bobians opinion, no-one should buy any car with a DPF especially if the original user did mostly short journeys" Hmmmm doesnt read well does it...
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
I accept that other manufacturers are having problems, but fiat are walking away from a problem that is only 2 weeks out of warranty, according to the aa website, dpf problems in secondhand diesels is a timebomb waiting to explode.
I accept that other manufacturers are having problems, but fiat are walking away from a problem that is only 2 weeks out of warranty, according to the aa website, dpf problems in secondhand diesels is a timebomb waiting to explode.
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
So were catalytic converters, could probably say the same about electric power steering systems, ECU's, high pressure fuel pumps...
I take your point bobian, but TBH modern cars are a technical / cost to fix time bomb full stop! Not happy either but if we want modern cars thats what we get. There will always be a Warranty cut-off point. Under normal use the DPF isnt a problem. In fact, I would even go as far as to say that I am pretty sure it mentions the DPF and driving use & conditions in my handbook somewhere, stating a diesel is not suitable for regular short journey use.
So were catalytic converters, could probably say the same about electric power steering systems, ECU's, high pressure fuel pumps...
I take your point bobian, but TBH modern cars are a technical / cost to fix time bomb full stop! Not happy either but if we want modern cars thats what we get. There will always be a Warranty cut-off point. Under normal use the DPF isnt a problem. In fact, I would even go as far as to say that I am pretty sure it mentions the DPF and driving use & conditions in my handbook somewhere, stating a diesel is not suitable for regular short journey use.
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
"a diesel is not suitable for regular short journey use. "
In that case all taxi drivers, and delivery men had better take note !
better switch to petrol vehicles
"a diesel is not suitable for regular short journey use. "
In that case all taxi drivers, and delivery men had better take note !
better switch to petrol vehicles
Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
make short journeys, but the engines aren't turned off for long enough for the
heat to dissipate and then started again from cold.
I think the issue here is heat. Delivery vans, taxis and driving school cars may
make short journeys, but the engines aren't turned off for long enough for the
heat to dissipate and then started again from cold.
Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
:yeahthat: Its only if you dive 1 mile and then leave it 12 hours and then use again for 1 mile. Then its a problem.
:yeahthat: Its only if you dive 1 mile and then leave it 12 hours and then use again for 1 mile. Then its a problem.
Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
We have two diesels with DPF. Neither have any problem with blocking of the filter.
Taxi's do multi-hundred thousand miles in the space of a couple of years. 10 hours of driving is going to get the exhaust pretty hot.
We have two diesels with DPF. Neither have any problem with blocking of the filter.
Taxi's do multi-hundred thousand miles in the space of a couple of years. 10 hours of driving is going to get the exhaust pretty hot.
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DPF is a way of life for modern diesels - what needs to be addressed is that the owners and operators of these vehicles know what to do and how to drive the car correctly and if they believe that it will be an issue they don't buy it.
VW had problems with the 1st stage regenerate warning always coming on for some vehicles because they didn't know about DPF and were only interested in the higher mpg the real reason they bought it - this resulted in a sticker being added to the cars at PDI informing them on what to do if said light came on, but this was only a copy of what was in the manual anyway.
Surely though there is a 1st warning lamp and then the eml comes on after if regeneration is not carried out ? VW systems work that way, i presume fiat systems would be similar. With the 1st light on why was regeneration not carried out ?
DPF is a way of life for modern diesels - what needs to be addressed is that the owners and operators of these vehicles know what to do and how to drive the car correctly and if they believe that it will be an issue they don't buy it.
VW had problems with the 1st stage regenerate warning always coming on for some vehicles because they didn't know about DPF and were only interested in the higher mpg the real reason they bought it - this resulted in a sticker being added to the cars at PDI informing them on what to do if said light came on, but this was only a copy of what was in the manual anyway.
Surely though there is a 1st warning lamp and then the eml comes on after if regeneration is not carried out ? VW systems work that way, i presume fiat systems would be similar. With the 1st light on why was regeneration not carried out ?
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The thing is, most people are not 'motorists', they drive the cars they do because they 'look nice' and often never feel really at ease anyway. How many of them judder long in the wrong gear all the time completely unaware of how a transmission works - I know a couple like this and I want to scream change down all the time! Diesels are sold as being economical and so they tend to get driven 'economically', resulting in problems.
Perhaps salespeople should emphasise that these new cars need to be driven enthusiastically to give their best.
The thing is, most people are not 'motorists', they drive the cars they do because they 'look nice' and often never feel really at ease anyway. How many of them judder long in the wrong gear all the time completely unaware of how a transmission works - I know a couple like this and I want to scream change down all the time! Diesels are sold as being economical and so they tend to get driven 'economically', resulting in problems.
Perhaps salespeople should emphasise that these new cars need to be driven enthusiastically to give their best.
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
Broader vision required Mr bobian I think. (see answers from others above)
Broader vision required Mr bobian I think. (see answers from others above)
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Agreed but not always possible with fleet vehicles as no direct dealer/driver contact which were the most common vehicles for the regeneration cycle needed. Was sad to see that the 'bluemotion' Golf went on to use a shift light inc in the dash to tell you what gear was best to be in at that particular time.
Agreed but not always possible with fleet vehicles as no direct dealer/driver contact which were the most common vehicles for the regeneration cycle needed. Was sad to see that the 'bluemotion' Golf went on to use a shift light inc in the dash to tell you what gear was best to be in at that particular time.
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
I've spoken to a hyundia dealer about an I30 diesel, with a dpf, they tell me the dpf is gauranteed for a full 5 years, so why 2 years on a fiat ?
I've spoken to a hyundia dealer about an I30 diesel, with a dpf, they tell me the dpf is gauranteed for a full 5 years, so why 2 years on a fiat ?
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Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)
So the issue is really about Warranty? Thats a reasonable question, but not one I can answer, Fiat / dealer policy I guess. Maybe for the same reason Kia give a 7 year warranty and Fiat didnt better 2 years until they gave the 5 year one. But even Kia have their exceptions. All I can say for sure is its not an issue for me after 2 1/2 years and 43,000 miles, (maybe I dont have one)
So the issue is really about Warranty? Thats a reasonable question, but not one I can answer, Fiat / dealer policy I guess. Maybe for the same reason Kia give a 7 year warranty and Fiat didnt better 2 years until they gave the 5 year one. But even Kia have their exceptions. All I can say for sure is its not an issue for me after 2 1/2 years and 43,000 miles, (maybe I dont have one)
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So, you've sold the car and now the new owner expects everything to be covered under warranty?
The warranty only works if the motor had regular services at an approved garage, the motor is now in year 3, I guess if you still owned it, Fiat might look a little more favourably.
As has already been mentioned, the DPF is a feature on modern diesels, the only other option would be some kind of access flap whereby the soot could be tapped out after so many miles - perhaps a red light on the dash could indicate when the soot chamber needs emptying - but then you'd be whingeing at having this job every few weeks.
My doblo is coming up to 3 years old, it has only done 17k but I haven't had any problems with the dpf despite short journeys. I always let the engine warm through every morning & evening so despite a 15 minute journey, the engine is running for 30 - 40mins
So, you've sold the car and now the new owner expects everything to be covered under warranty?
The warranty only works if the motor had regular services at an approved garage, the motor is now in year 3, I guess if you still owned it, Fiat might look a little more favourably.
As has already been mentioned, the DPF is a feature on modern diesels, the only other option would be some kind of access flap whereby the soot could be tapped out after so many miles - perhaps a red light on the dash could indicate when the soot chamber needs emptying - but then you'd be whingeing at having this job every few weeks.
My doblo is coming up to 3 years old, it has only done 17k but I haven't had any problems with the dpf despite short journeys. I always let the engine warm through every morning & evening so despite a 15 minute journey, the engine is running for 30 - 40mins
