dont buy any car fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)

[Dan89]

tell me about it andy, I've just been flashed in hosm, where they've dropped the speed limit down to 30 from 40.
Now since we were both driving today, if you say "not sure whos driving" how can they prove it ?
My friend did that with a road work camera, but it gave a clear picy of the drive.
Ps i was doing 36 on that long stretch through hosm, from the roundabout, hardly crime of century is it ?
You can understand the need in accident blackspots but why there ?

Unfortunately in the UK you have to provide the details of who was driving, they don't have to prove anything. It's actually infringing on your human rights by requiring you to give evidence potentially against yourself, and also by obtaining it under duress by threatening more severe legal action if you do not provide the driver's details.

On topic I think it's daft that they don't fit diesels that have DPFs with a warning light that goes out once the filter is up to temperature.

 

[sludgeguts]

It also infringes on your human rights when a speeder knocks you down.

 

[Dan89]

It also infringes on your human rights when a speeder knocks you down.

Only if you die, but that's in any country. The point I was making is that it is only in the UK where it happens, no other country.

 

[bludvl_x19]

Only if you die, but that's in any country. The point I was making is that it is only in the UK where it happens, no other country.

Erm, wrong...*pulls out recent speeding notice*

"If you were not the driver of the vehicle at or before the time of the offence, then you need to complete a StatDec naming the driver."

Same deal if it is a company car, the CEO is assumed to be the driver at the time, up to him to prove/state otherwise.

 

[StuartH]

Showing my ignorance here, at what time did Fiat start fitting DPF's to their deisels?

 

[Tris Harris]

Same deal if it is a company car, the CEO is assumed to be the driver at the time, up to him to prove/state otherwise.

not over here. the company car is registered to the main driver of the vehicle.

 

[Dan89]

Erm, wrong...*pulls out recent speeding notice*

"If you were not the driver of the vehicle at or before the time of the offence, then you need to complete a StatDec naming the driver."

Same deal if it is a company car, the CEO is assumed to be the driver at the time, up to him to prove/state otherwise.

Fair enough, but is it a legal requirement or are they just asking and hoping you will tell them?

 

[bludvl_x19]

Fair enough, but is it a legal requirement or are they just asking and hoping you will tell them?

If you dont tell them anything, they assume it is you driving, and you cop the penalty.
Or you can dob in a mate...entirely up to you (in theory).
The mate gets the same oppourtunity to deny it was them and nominate the person who was driving at the time

 

[Dan89]

If you dont tell them anything, they assume it is you driving, and you cop the penalty.
Or you can dob in a mate...entirely up to you (in theory).
The mate gets the same oppourtunity to deny it was them and nominate the person who was driving at the time

Got it

 

[fenton_jd]

Mine has a DPF. Service interval says change at 72,000 miles although there shouldnt really be any need to change them provided you take the car out of a 10 minute brisk drive to burn the soot away.

Mine's on 115,000 miles and still has the usual urgent acceleration.

Those filters are £700 at time, no reason to not take the car out of an enthusiastic drive once a week.

 

[fenton_jd]

Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)

but thats my point t, how is it better if the dpf converts the soot to a greenhouse gas ?

Without the DPF, theres no way my 2.0 volvo would be in the same tax bracket as my previous 1.2 punto.

 

[D4nny8oy]

Mine has a DPF. Service interval says change at 72,000 miles

Where did you read that?

It's not a service-related item, and Fiat list it's lifespan to be on average 250,000km, depending on driving style, oil consumption, number of regenerations, etc.

 

[fenton_jd]

Where did you read that?

It's not a service-related item, and Fiat list it's lifespan to be on average 250,000km, depending on driving style, oil consumption, number of regenerations, etc.

I dont drive a fiat anymore but my volvo has a ford/peugeot/citroen engine in and they recommend changing at 72,000 miles. £700 job easily though.

Personally I'd rather have a DPF, because i dont want to see any smoke come from my exhaust as it looks rubbish.

 

[D4nny8oy]

Ah, they probably use the FAP (additive-based) system like the Ulysse with it's shorter lifespan.

 

[Stuart J]

Some Skodas have it as service item to be changed at 80,000 miles.

We had a Superb with one, the previous model without a dpf could easily rteturn well over 50 mpg, ours struggled to give 45 mpg & usually averaged 40, you couldnt run it on bio diesel & had to drive it hard from time to time to keep the filter clean & yet we still suffered the inevitable trip to the dealers.

Personally I will not consider another for a few years until the design has been better tested & cars that are designed from scratch with the dpf in mind are available. A lot of current models are older engines adapted (bodged) to meet ill thought out legislation

 

[Hellcat]

No engine will be designed from scratch. FPT is constantly developing on existing engines - the new multiair system is built ontop a current super FIRE engine. The new multijets are a development on the JTDs which were developed from the indirect injection diesels.

The only problem is people not driving within the capabilities of the car. If you drive a petrol under 2 miles per journey then you'll likely rot the exhaust off and destroy the cat within a year or two. Doesn't mean the car is defective - just means you're using the vehicle for journeys which it's not suitable for.

 

[oldoiler]

Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)

I accept that other manufacturers are having problems, but fiat are walking away from a problem that is only 2 weeks out of warranty, according to the aa website, dpf problems in secondhand diesels is a timebomb waiting to explode.

I concur with that whole heartily with the comments above. The emission controls set up by the Euro std assumes long journeys and most UK journeys are sort - we will all be doing "Italian tune ups" down the motorways at the w/e's!!. Most of my diesels have been under the VW Marques and when I purchased my 170hp DPF diesel NO mention was made of how and what to do when dealing with DFP fitted system it was ONLY an year later the VW started to produce a leaflet with the handbook!!!. It is interesting to note that when the DPF system and ecu parameters are removed the cars are MORE economical!!![and still meet the present MOT's std.] so much as for precious resources - that is what I will be doing when the DPF fails or going for a pre DPF diesel MODEL.

 

[Dan89]

Re: dont buy any fiat fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter)

we will all be doing "Italian tune ups" down the motorways at the w/e's!!.

Love it

 

[cleptamania]

i have a vauxhall meriva, about 6 months ago the engine blew up and had to get another one fitted,, after a month of fighting with vauxhall they paid for it all to be done..
the reasons for my engine to blow were these.
1. the dpf was full.
2. the engine oil life was at 0% life (due to doing to many cold starts)
3. we never had it serviced in the first year,(it was about 3 months over)

so can anyone please tell me that it is right to say that a car is not suitable for a person because they do a very low milage and to many short Journeys?

we have had the car back for 6 months and the oil life is back to 0%. once again they are saying it is our fault because of our driving conditions ie:short journey's.

 

[Venters]

My clutch slave cylinder has failed twice in 3 months.

I can't stress this enough!
Nobody buy a car with a clutch!