Do you actually want to drive a crossover / SUV?

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Do you actually want to drive a crossover / SUV?

Do you actually want an SUV/ Crossover?


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Everything you've said is spot on.
Of course more expensive sports wellington SUVs with adaptive suspension do both...but these do feel slightly like the answer to question no one asked.
And the reality is, as you say, most people don't really care too much and will buy it / use it.

It's a shame though because all of the choice of cars these are replacing (the likes of the usual B-segment stuff, C-segment stuff and even the big saloons in the D-segment - all of which came in affordable, everyday variants / brands / models) are now pretty much removed in favour of crossovers / SUVs that drive like big people carriers that the B, C and D segment consumer spent the start of this millennium especially avoiding.

I still very much feel it's a matter of... manufacturers taking away choice and consumers only being able to buy what's left (crossovers) as opposed to.... nobody bought the B/C/D cars and as a result, they had no choice but to take them off sale.

One thing I admire about Stellantis is they seem committed to the commercial success that is the B segment (208, Corsa, C3, new Panda etc..). I used to admire the German brands for sticking to their big saloons, which have one of the strongest followings I can see amongst any car brand / group of car fanatics... but even they are throwing in the towel now if Audi is anything to go buy. I highly doubt people stopped buying those.. more, it won't suit the EV plans they have going forward and removing the choice is the only way to stimulate demand for other models :-(
 
I love all those big suv's, cos once they have spent 5 minutes trying to park it in a space that's adequate and drive off after giving up, I can stick the panda in no problem while they are heading to the car park to pay.
 
Well...

Due to the rental car company not having any party buses in stock for a work trip today (See Mercedes V-Class) We got a Volvo XC90 B5 hybrid.

Now at the start of the day I was quite looking forward to it as if you were to create a list of cars to travel for 6 hours 6 up I'd have put this very high on the list.

End of the the day...the C3 was a welcome relief. Mainly due to the seats had a numb back side after 2 hours... however the ride quality was also surprisingly crunchy even at high speed it hit expansion joints hard low speed it just bobbled about on its 20 inch wheels. Of course those massive wheels also meant the road noise didn't pipe down.

It also had an extreme drink problem...slow witted auto box and an engine that sounded like distant mooing after dropping 3 cogs with the grace of a learner.

62 grand..it was nice had 4 zone climate and hardon kardon audio etc..but kinda failed at what you'd think would be it's main reason for existence.

It was alright...but disappointing is the word given it's not like expecting it to cruise better at 70 than a C3 is a high bar. Made 3 of our number get out walking like John Wayne..
 
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and thirstier for energy.

That's a myth, it's why they've gone to using turbo's in just about all petrol SUV's. It's burns the fuel more efficiently, why drive a sedan when you can pile the whole family in with gear go on holiday, have good ground clearance, a commanding view of the road ahead and yet get good gas mileage.
It's simply a no brainer.

The problem in the U.K. the roads were never design for anything bigger than a horse or a bicycle and now you have the zealots going around and committing vandalism to the vehicles. The trust fund kids and the older generational benefit scroungers with the hyped up mental illness disability, the new and improved bad back scam.

In America we shoot on sight anyone attempting to deflate tires or impede traffic movement. We will not tolerate these hooligans and they know it !
 
I love all those big suv's, cos once they have spent 5 minutes trying to park it in a space that's adequate and drive off after giving up
We had a Sedona for years, no issue, even the works vans and navaras are no issues in car parks, maybe the issue is not the car...
 
had a Sedona for years, no issue, even the works vans and navaras are no issues in car parks, maybe the issue is not the car.
I was talking about spaces on roads, which vary in size, not car parks, if you can't park in a car park you shouldn't be driving.
I live on a road used by many shop/cafe workers to avoid the car parks charges, most turn up in huge suv's and spend ages trying to get into spaces before driving off,
Almost all the people who live and park on this road have vehicles with multiple minor knocks on them or broken wing mirrors.
Some poor chaps bmw z4 was hit so hard few weeks ago they wrote it off.
 
myth, it's why they've gone to using turbo's in just about all petrol SUV's. It's burns the fuel more efficiently
Yeah… in lab testing under ideal unrealistic conditions.

In reality… these turbo engines (‘eco’ turbo engines, not fun turbo engines) they tend to be under sized for the car (1.0 in a Focus… 1.6 in an Avensis - a European Camry Toyota) - with bit turbos slapped on to make them relatively swift.

The problem is to get the car moving, even gently, the turbo is needed and because of that the cars are less efficient than bigger, naturally aspirated engines would be in real world conditions.

And the strain of turbo over dependence also makes reliability much worse in the medium to long term versus a naturally aspirated, or adequately sized turbo’d engine

This has been experience of many in Europe because of Euro 5 emissions in both petrol and diesels this last decade. There’s a reason these engines have gone away.
 
We had a Sedona for years, no issue, even the works vans and navaras are no issues in car parks, maybe the issue is not the car...
Tend to agree with you, it's not the vehicle, more the "nut loose behind the steering wheel!"
As we used to say "Couldn't drive a stick up a cows behind!!;)
 
The Volvo had a very impressive set of parking sensors and fully live "drone cam" view that appeared on the screen at low speed.

To crash it you'd need to be stupid pretty much..

However none of this helps when it physically won't really fit on to the road or into a parking bay.
 
The Volvo had a very impressive set of parking sensors and fully live "drone cam" view that appeared on the screen at low speed.
Whatever happened to Volvo's promise that 'nobody will be killed in or seriously injured in a new Volvo from the year 2020' - who else remembers reading that?

Edit: I suppose Geely (CCP owners) are probably taking a 'Tiananmen Square' approach, where people are being killed in new Volvo's, but they just act like it never happened?! hahaha
 
Given the SUV/Crossover these days occupies a cursed space between the traditional estate car and the MPV I suppose the question is has anyone ever WANTED a car like that.

I'd imagine very few people have lusted after a Renault Espace or boggo estate car. People do however buy cars like that because they need them for whatever reason.

There are of course different flavours what I would term a "proper" SUV i.e. a Range Rover or something like that..very few people actually need these they are a status symbol in the main. Then you have the next size down generally 2 wheel drive and filled with children's car seats, these are the MPVs of the modern era, unfortunately given you aren't allowed to load 6 kids into the back of a rusty Vauxhall Astra as was de rigueur when I was growing up you may need something that can take multiple car seats and this is where you end up. There are also have the miserable little things such as the Seat Arona and the Puma which are entirely wastes of the earths resources...this is the joy of everything being an SUV/Crossover these days when you SUV you're talking about at least 3 or 4 classes of car. In small small cars they do at least allow space for batteries under the floor.

Are any of them desirable? Not to me...for the same reason I don't desire a comfortable pair of sensible shoes...but some of them have purpose. The vast majority don't seem to to me but hey I missed the boat there clearly as when my son arrived rather than getting a Range Rover Evoque (because hey it snows don't you know????) on finance we downsized once the difficult phase was over.

The difficult phase, being for those not aware of modern children, is where, for some reason, you need to pack everything required to recreate the child's bedroom into the boot of your car, along with most of their wardrobe, just in case, and a pram. Knowing the Car Dimensions really helps in this situation, as it makes choosing the right vehicle for family life so much easier and more enjoyable.

Why people without kids saddle themselves with these things I've got no bloody clue..
I don’t really want a crossover or SUV. They are bigger, heavier, and less efficient, which feels like a step backward after decades of more economical car design. I prefer something nimble, easy to park, and fun to drive. That said, I get why people buy them. More space, higher seating, and a sense of safety are appealing, but for me, practicality and driving enjoyment in a smaller car outweigh those benefits.
 
I think it's a matter of what's available. I took the Scala into the main dealer Tuesday just past, for it's second service - still under warranty so I think it's advisable to use the main agent - I'd managed to book a "while you wait" appointment. The dealership is a large multifranchise site with others nearby so, rather than sit drinking coffee and twidling my thumbs or reading my book I decided to take a walk around the whole site. It used to have a good selection of different manufacturer's product, Vauxhall, VW, BMW, etc, etc. I was rather surprised to find BYD now very much the biggest showroom! There's also a very large MG (I don't think of them as MG anymore) showroom undergoing a revamp and a medium sized one filled with gargantuan Chinese things with names I'd never seen before and couldn't actually read properly. These are vehicles that look like copies of Range Rovers, maybe actually bigger? and briught to mind the term "flying Bricks". Also about half of the multifranchise now devoted to Peugeot with The VAG stuff now reduced in size and concentrating more on SEAT/Skoda/Cupra with the Cupra stuff being very obviously sold as a separate brand.

About half way round my walk I came across a smaller Hyundai dealer. Although I'm not interested in owning an electric car at this time, their Inster seems to be creating some good reviews in the motoring press so thought I'd pop in for a look. I'd dropped the Scala at the workshop before 8.00am so it was still very early and the showroon wasn't yet properly open with no sales staff yet in evidence so I had a good crawl all over it. As I was lying on the floor looking under the back - conventional twist beam rear axle - a chap came over and asked if he could help. Turned out he was some sort of technical chap linked to the workshops, maybe a service manager? anyway we had a very interesting conversation and I was left with the opinion that he really knew what he was talking about. Being a "tyre man" I joked with him about it having a tyre fitment with a nice tall sidewall - so good for negotiating potholes and giving a generally more compliant ride quality. He enthusiastically agreed and we had a bit of a conversation about the current trend towards larger diameter wheels running low profile tyres. I was very impressed with the car, although it has a pretty small boot with no possibility of accommodating a decent spare, or, I think, any spare of any sort. Ho Hum! If I was looking for a new car in the future I might be tempted to at least test drive one.

On the subject of Humongous SUVs? I usually drive when Mrs J wants to do a big food shop. Mrs J doesn't enjoy driving anyway, she finds modern traffic intimidating but also, with her bad back, I need to go to carry the bags (heavy milk bottles etc) I very much notice the increase in very big SUVs which barely fit inside the bays and, once parked, are so big their drivers, and especially passengers, don't have room to exit/reentre the vehicle without damaging the vehicle parked next to them. Several times now I've seen them being parked in disabled or electric charging bays, although not electric vehicles, simply because these are bigger. No enforcement seems to be being done and I don't now challenge these folk as they are often extremely aggressive and the females are usually worst - apologies to our female readers. Although these vehicles arguably provide increased levels of "survivability" in an accident, surely it's to the detriment of those driving more "humble" vehicles? I think also there's an element of "bullying" taking place by their owners in everyday traffic? For sure I'm not going to try "arguing" with one doing a dodgy lane change when I'm driving in Becky!

By the way, I thought it was interesting to note, as I walked around, that there were pretty much no really small vehicles on show anywhere. I suppose it's all about battery size and weight? at this time you just can't make a small battery with enough capacity to give useable range?

Oh, and, to answer the question, No I don't want to drive a crossover/SUV.
 
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Just back in from my daily walk. Only out for just under an hour today as solicitor is ringing me anytime now.

Saw the most incredible piece of "Naff" driving when I was leaving the park. Smallish parking place, possibly the only one in the street, with super large SUV pulled up looking to get parked in it. Reverses into the space until touching the car behind, but not enough to set off the alarm. Then pulls forward until touching car in front, again no alarm goes off although you could see the car move very slightly. Not quite properly into the space so repeats the exercise! Almost didn't believe what I was seeing. By the time I'd got to the park gate up the road a wee bit and walked back down on the pavement the driver was well away down the road walking faster than I could. Took a look at the two cars but amazingly couldn't see any damage. Unbelievable that anyone should think this acceptable though. Absolutely must have been ignoring the proximity sensors which will be a standard fitment on a car like this.
 
Just back in from my daily walk. Only out for just under an hour today as solicitor is ringing me anytime now.

Saw the most incredible piece of "Naff" driving when I was leaving the park. Smallish parking place, possibly the only one in the street, with super large SUV pulled up looking to get parked in it. Reverses into the space until touching the car behind, but not enough to set off the alarm. Then pulls forward until touching car in front, again no alarm goes off although you could see the car move very slightly. Not quite properly into the space so repeats the exercise! Almost didn't believe what I was seeing. By the time I'd got to the park gate up the road a wee bit and walked back down on the pavement the driver was well away down the road walking faster than I could. Took a look at the two cars but amazingly couldn't see any damage. Unbelievable that anyone should think this acceptable though. Absolutely must have been ignoring the proximity sensors which will be a standard fitment on a car like this.
Isn't that what the Americans were accused of in the 60s when their big steel bumpers could just push cars out the way to get into a small parking space?
You can imagine how the flimsy plastic mounts on todays pedestrian friendly car bumpers stand up to that treatment.:(
 
Isn't that what the Americans were accused of in the 60s when their big steel bumpers could just push cars out the way to get into a small parking space?
You can imagine how the flimsy plastic mounts on todays pedestrian friendly car bumpers stand up to that treatment.:(
First time I saw this was way back in March 1973 - Mrs J remembers because she was pregnant with our first born and it was St Patrick's day - we'd gone (on 10% tickets, she worked for BOAC then) to New York for the Parade but it all ended up a bit of a disaster as the British chancellor floated the pound while we were in the air and we couldn't cash any traveler's cheques! Luckily Mrs J bumped into a long haul stewardess she knew at their office who lent us money which we returned when we got back to the UK.

Anyway, back to the parking of cars. We were in our hotel room just after arriving, quite an old brick built building, and I opened the window to "breath in" the sight and sounds of the city when I saw a car just under our window being parked like this. Not only did they touch bumpers but he/she actually bulldozed one of the cars about a foot or so up the pavement! Enormous chromed bumpers of course but also saw many cars with the "battle scars" to prove this was a regular way to park.

The parade was magnificent, never seen anything like it. but was very surprised and wasn't expecting to see people with collection tins collecting for the IRA. It was a bit of an awakening for a young man -me- who'd never realized the big bad world is a very different place to the wee town in the Scottish borders where I'd grown up!
 
The thing that gets me is buying a car that can't be street parked or parked in a standard bay as a "practical" choice.

I regularly go to Durham...my preferred choice of car park is the River walk car park.

Why do you ask? The max height is 1.8 metres...this means no, VW multivans, full size SUVs or anything of that sort. The roof is low enough that you pause opening the tail gate on the C3 as clearance to a fully open tailgate from the roof is about an inch.

Bays are basically legal minimum size, but no SUVs can use it and even ones that technically fit tend to avoid as the ramps usually have them doing 18 point turns. As a result you have small cars in the small bays and the Toyota and C3 fit just fine.

This means, always has spaces...even at Christmas and is right in the town centre.

Although occasionally you'll get stuck entering behind a wedged discovery...it has a tonne of 1 star reviews because apparently it's too small for cars..it's not it's just you bought the wrong car.
 
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First time I saw this was way back in March 1973 - Mrs J remembers because she was pregnant with our first born and it was St Patrick's day - we'd gone (on 10% tickets, she worked for BOAC then) to New York for the Parade but it all ended up a bit of a disaster as the British chancellor floated the pound while we were in the air and we couldn't cash any traveler's cheques! Luckily Mrs J bumped into a long haul stewardess she knew at their office who lent us money which we returned when we got back to the UK.

Anyway, back to the parking of cars. We were in our hotel room just after arriving, quite an old brick built building, and I opened the window to "breath in" the sight and sounds of the city when I saw a car just under our window being parked like this. Not only did they touch bumpers but he/she actually bulldozed one of the cars about a foot or so up the pavement! Enormous chromed bumpers of course but also saw many cars with the "battle scars" to prove this was a regular way to park.

The parade was magnificent, never seen anything like it. but was very surprised and wasn't expecting to see people with collection tins collecting for the IRA. It was a bit of an awakening for a young man -me- who'd never realized the big bad world is a very different place to the wee town in the Scottish borders where I'd grown up!
Yes, I wonder if the collecting tins would have been so full if the locals had been on the ground in Birmingham etc. after the pub bombings.:(
It is always the innocent public who suffer, those that on both sides just want a quiet life, not the ones at the top.:(
 
I was rather surprised to find BYD now very much the biggest showroom! There's also a very large MG
I'm seeing these pop up in NI too sadly... one prominent long time Ford dealer split the showroom for them. They keep posting ads on Facebook which keep appearing on my feed... every time I post the vomit emoji in the comments lol Horrid looking cars. I'm sure like MG, horrible to sit in outside of a show room too for more than a few minutes unless you're deaf and most of your nerves can't feel the vibration.. Why our government is letting these brands destroy our car market (and the European / Japanese non human rights encroaching, intellectual rights respecting, innovating car makers) is beyond me. They are everywhere.

And don't give me (figure of speech, not being rude to you personally!) the whole "free market" crap. Yeah, it's fair when it's other free markets. Not when it's them. Not a communist regime with special rules in its own territory on 'our' brands, interfering and tampering with its own huge market and very much putting foreign brands at an artificial disadvantage to support its domestic efforts to steal and copy, why aren't we applying the same when it comes to them? Who aren't actually producing anything better at a better value, they're literally ripping off every other car brand as much as possible, producing trash and because of the efficiencies of slave labour and not needing to do R&D like the fair players, they can undercut in price. That's all the buyers are seeing, a spec list and a price, versus what, a bog standard VW product or Toyota for thousands more? The government should long have intervened. I'm especially sad to know the EU isn't stamping down since it's got more of a car producing market to need to protect...

If I were VAG, Stellantis.. Toyota etc, I'd be getting together to outright forbid franchised dealers of their brands to allow to sign up for one of the CCP brands... probably illegal or anti-competitive, but when that's what you're dealing with with them.. I reckon some special provision like that would be totally fair.

as I walked around, that there were pretty much no really small vehicles on show anywhere. I suppose it's all about battery size and weight? at this time you just can't make a small battery with enough capacity to give useable range?
It is a shame. Walking past some of the new C3s (and to be Panda's), too long, too tall... no more A-segment. It's just not a Panda. And the latest Corsa's too, just not really Corsas. To imagine that Ford could imaginarily pull out of Europe tomorrow... and allow Stellantis to slap a Fiesta logo on the same thing is just bizarre. But less bizarre than if you suggested it a decade ago.

I think the modern 'proper' EVs now, the batteries are well, well designed into the chassis. Probably for maximum space, structural integrity / safety and handling. Versus a decade ago's likes of 'E-Golf' which was just the engine one without an engine and things stuck various places. So they're just throwing all the R&D now into an EV first mentality and with the 208 / C3 / Panda, slapping an engine in it too as an afterthought which is probably easier compared to all the EV design considerations.

Definitely more weight, more cost, more complexity in manufacturing for... well, maybe cleaner air in London or big city centres, and a bit of convenience plugging it in at home, but other than that not sure it's really helping the planet or doing much useful for anyone. Oh, they're faster - but now we've got more accidents of people flying out of junctions at speeds that were probably only in Ferrari's in the 80s - and the tyre wear / losing control from poor tyres that comes along with it, all in the hands of everyday people!

When I drove the Panda 1.2 Pop after doing oil changes last year and this... one thing I noticed was my mentality to the road completely changed - I couldn't drive like a maniac, not so easily. I wouldn't dare pull out at any junction or roundabout unless I was twice as sure I had the space to do so without another car coming close. I didn't drive it long enough to need to overtake, but I sure as hell wasn't going to overtake anything less than something that sincerely needed passing like a tractor or lorry or something going like 40 or less in a 60. It forced me to drive sensibly and within the limits of the car. All these EVs, even the basic little e-Corsa, come with relatively powerful acceleration to misuse as well as a bunch of features that bolster texting-while-driving like lane keeping and anti-collision, I can't see them being any better for our roads and driving than they are for the planet.

but was very surprised and wasn't expecting to see people with collection tins collecting for the IRA
Oh god that's awful. Imagine people nowadays collecting for Hamas.... alright, well, some of the people flooding our city centres in those... protests.. probably would, but thankfully not. That's so sick. Like the Americans that also funded it by believing their little sob stories. I can't believe they were doing that, or that it would be legal.

Yes, I wonder if the collecting tins would have been so full if the locals had been on the ground in Birmingham etc. after the pub bombings.:(
It is always the innocent public who suffer, those that on both sides just want a quiet life, not the ones at the top.:(
People listen to the Irish sob stories and suddenly they think they're supporting something they're not. Like many matters, even today, the innocent victims are only used as a pawn by pure evil (against their wills) and the naive people in the world buy into it and end up supporting the evil.

IRA are absolute scum, if ever there was a good justification or reason for the changes to the border they want, they sure as hell lost my support, or respect or willingness to negotiate when they started murdering innocent people, innocent families and children. They still bully, intimidate and control the show over here unfortunately... mostly their own community mind you, but I still feel horrible for them. I often wonder what will happen as they are big advocates for Hamas nowadays, there's even a number of establishments opening here with names of places in those regions 'in support'. Just wait until they welcome their 'friends' here and start to see how their own little terror tricks with 21st century advancements used against them in their own streets goes for them. They'll be crying for the UK gov to help them out of that I would imagine. People in actual Ireland (ROI) away from the border equally can't stand the sight or mention of them, they actually do just want peace. Terrorism always loses sympathy, even for good causes, every single time. Alienates people who could and would otherwise help.
 
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