my dads looking in to buying a new bravo we test driven a 1.4 active petrol he really liked it hes been lookin at 1.9 diesels today we would just like to know what is the best engine?
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Diesel for reliability, ecconomy.
Petrol for sportyness
Petrol for sportyness
Oh, I don't know about that, the 150 multijet is pretty sporty to me!
I would go diesel, but then I would say that as I've bought one. Basically I think it comes down to cost these days. Diesels cost more to buy, so you need to do the miles to make it worthwhile.
In terms of which is better, I don't think one engine is 'better' than the other - it really is just a matter of personal preference. If you like a quiet engine and are happy to rev the engine to extract the best performance, then petrol is probably the best bet. If you prefer to surf the huge waves of torque a diesel can produce, but can compromise on a bit of engine refinement and initial purchase price, diesel may be better...
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Depends on how the car is going to be driven i.e from A-B or otherwise.
Either engine is good, there are a lot that will always tell you one type of engine is rubbish, and this just leads to pointless arguments.
Not sure what the mpg would be like on the non turbo engine, probably quite good, and of course the diesels would be better on mpg.
The 150t-jet uses quite a bit of juice if it is just driven around town so if the car is only going to be driven on shorter journeys then either 1.4 non turbo or diesel, it doesnt matter about which one can pull away faster, if you are only going from A-B and drive locally then you dont need a powerful engine.
Which ever is decided the Bravo is a great car
We know that... I certainly do! Just for the true 'sport' experience you need a soundtrack. The diesel doesn't have that because it gets on with it quietly! You could always just drive around with the Honda advert choir in the back going "vrrrrrrrrrrrroooooom" as you accelerate!
Had me several new cars over time..
honda civic 2.2 ictdi, mondeo 130 tdci, two focus`s and an Octavia sport 140tdi with the dsg gearbox.. and this new Bravo which woo`d me with its style and toys.. but got to say... its a bag of nails, i try not to look too hard at it now as i keep finding short commings in its build quaility and integrity, the lack of time spent in developing this car is starting to show thru in the real world and not too sure if the New Fiat Badge is gonna be enough to make a great deal of difference to the market place... ..
Buy yourself the face lifted Focus, much more dynamic, and what a drive, all i can say is, do drive other cars out there, as they are better, and you`ll get more money for it, when you come to change it.
Have fun either way,
Ive got a 2 week old, 1.9 mjet dynamic at mo, with mismatched symphony blue paint.. lol.. ;-O
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skydiver it seems you have issues with your car but its not fair to the car or Fiat to say the car has short commings.I have the luxury (?) of inside knowledge and the bravo has turned out to be a very reliable car in comparison to its competitors. Sales of the bravo as a result have increased and the feedback is excellent.
No car is perfect & not every car made is perfect no matter what company makes it.
No car is perfect & not every car made is perfect no matter what company makes it.
Which is why those of us with more sense than money always buy FIATs secondhand...
However, I don't think you can accuse the Multijet of being a 'bag of nails' and then go on to praise the Focus - which while undoubtedly a very good car, now sadly mangled to be neo-Mondeo - is cursed by the truly awful Ford diesels (only those by VW worse in my experience).
Yeah I feel I have to reply as well. I also don't think you can sum up any car company like that. For my job I am in hire cars every single week - no I don't deliver them , so you could say I get to use a wide range of car makes and models through the course of the year (and I've been doing it for years ).
I've found that I sometimes see a car they drop off and I think 'oh no, I remember the last one of these, it was awful' then after spending a lot of the day in it I walk away and think 'oh that one was ok'. This happens a lot. Here's some more musings:
- I've driven A LOT of Vectra's, the previous model was better than current, the first 2 year builds were total write off's and the last couple of year builds are 'ok' to 'fine'
- Saab 93 is a Vectra, but totally different - I loved it (though it rattled)
- Peugot's have fab engines, but I'd never part my own cash for one (oh and the 407 should come with a gondola stick to help with corners)
- Citroen's always feel like they are about to fall apart, in fact after a recent drive up through the midlands a brand new C4 did actually fall apart!
- Fiat's always surprised me and compare very well with competitors for the price (hence me having 2 in the household) and trust me they've got better
- VW - classically well built, simply can't complain (sorry)
- Ford's (Foci and Mondeo's):
- Mercedes are surprisingly bad (I only get the cheaper ones, probably explains that)
- Mazda (3) good and dull at the same time - similar feeling for other eastern makes
- Alfa had internal fittings falling off beneath the steering wheel, but went like stink and manages to make you smile as you walk away
- Toyota well made, bored me, gutless
- Astra's are better than Vectra's and when they did the 1.6 Twinport I loved it, normal 1.6 is 'ok'
Appreciate I'm not always in the cars that entusiasts would buy and are often bulk bought or volume dumped... I also know I'm referring to hire cars so they can be abused, but that's what modern cars can get, interesting to see how they handle it.
All my own little opinions of course, no offense meant. Oh and I didn't forget to say anything about the Fords, but this is how I honestly feel after using them: " "
, so you could say I get to use a wide range of car makes and models through the course of the year (and I've been doing it for years ). I've found that I sometimes see a car they drop off and I think 'oh no, I remember the last one of these, it was awful' then after spending a lot of the day in it I walk away and think 'oh that one was ok'. This happens a lot. Here's some more musings:
- I've driven A LOT of Vectra's, the previous model was better than current, the first 2 year builds were total write off's and the last couple of year builds are 'ok' to 'fine'
- Saab 93 is a Vectra, but totally different - I loved it (though it rattled)
- Peugot's have fab engines, but I'd never part my own cash for one (oh and the 407 should come with a gondola stick to help with corners)
- Citroen's always feel like they are about to fall apart, in fact after a recent drive up through the midlands a brand new C4 did actually fall apart!
- Fiat's always surprised me and compare very well with competitors for the price (hence me having 2 in the household) and trust me they've got better
- VW - classically well built, simply can't complain (sorry)
- Ford's (Foci and Mondeo's):
- Mercedes are surprisingly bad (I only get the cheaper ones, probably explains that)
- Mazda (3) good and dull at the same time - similar feeling for other eastern makes
- Alfa had internal fittings falling off beneath the steering wheel, but went like stink and manages to make you smile as you walk away
- Toyota well made, bored me, gutless
- Astra's are better than Vectra's and when they did the 1.6 Twinport I loved it, normal 1.6 is 'ok'
Appreciate I'm not always in the cars that entusiasts would buy and are often bulk bought or volume dumped... I also know I'm referring to hire cars so they can be abused, but that's what modern cars can get, interesting to see how they handle it.
All my own little opinions of course, no offense meant. Oh and I didn't forget to say anything about the Fords, but this is how I honestly feel after using them: " "
The new Bravo 1.6 Diesel is the way to go. Nippy, very economical, quiet, five year guarantee, good to drive, and free finance.
If the shades of paint don't quite match, in some lights, and you have to have a respray, you might find the driving more than makes up for it. And the residuals will be good too. Oil will not go down in price.
Oh, and it isn't a Ford.
If the shades of paint don't quite match, in some lights, and you have to have a respray, you might find the driving more than makes up for it. And the residuals will be good too. Oil will not go down in price.
Oh, and it isn't a Ford.
i have had alot of time in a jag 2.0 tdci and a mondeo 130 and to say that the mjet is rough compaired to this cars is oppsite to my experience also the bravo is both smother and clearly more powerfull from low revs than either of these cars.
i would agree on handling though i am not particulary impressed, but the car is how many thousands cheaper?
Point taken, its the whole "Fiat experience" hasn`t done me no good, no doubt that all manufacturers have rogues, which someone else must have had.
The dealers and fiat uk customer services leave a lot to be desired as far as im concerned, if matters were dealt with as quick as they take your money all may have been fine.
The 5 year warranty is a good example, has know one questioned this yet... seems like a big enough issue to me, different stories from different places.
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Its not wrong to expect answers :worship:
Which is why those of us with more sense than money always buy FIATs secondhand...
However, I don't think you can accuse the Multijet of being a 'bag of nails' and then go on to praise the Focus - which while undoubtedly a very good car, now sadly mangled to be neo-Mondeo - is cursed by the truly awful Ford diesels (only those by VW worse in my experience).
Point taken... theres good and bad all round, ive just been unlucky enough to have had a badun..
, its how its dealt with that makes the difference.The ford TDCI is primarily a pug/citroen unit, the same as the CDTI unit in the Vauxhall, Saab and Mini is Fiat derived, The Renault Dci is also used in Nissan`s and the list goes on..
The octavia uses the last passat floor pan, and the passat uses the last Audi A4 floor pan.. the golf and leon, the mazda 2 and fiesta, volvo and ford parts built into Aston Martins... ect ect.
The octavia uses the last passat floor pan, and the passat uses the last Audi A4 floor pan.. the golf and leon, the mazda 2 and fiesta, volvo and ford parts built into Aston Martins... ect ect.
The difference with me here and I'm sure I'm not the only one is that :
a. I would rather die than own a Ford or Vauxhall. The Fiat has a little exclusivity on its side. I only see the odd Bravo and I do a lot of driving.
Oh look i've just picked up my new Ford Focus (oh yay), i've only seen another 2500 today in my daily commute. Same goes for Astras, Vectras etc. Stuff if its a ST this or that, its still the same car to the everyday motorist.
b. Fiats can be made so much fun through modification (as I'm sure all cars can), if the drive is a problem to someone.
c.Quality issues are streets ahead of say the Stilo (no offence to Stilo owners), I've driven both and I think it takes the improvement to really be able to comment on whether they have improved.
I test drove a 150 t-jet the other day and it felt solid as a rock. (yes I know it was nearly new) but, Fiats of five years ago often felt ropey from the showroom.
I honestly think the Bravo is a step in the right direction.
Sorry if this is mildly off topic too,
a. I would rather die than own a Ford or Vauxhall. The Fiat has a little exclusivity on its side. I only see the odd Bravo and I do a lot of driving.
Oh look i've just picked up my new Ford Focus (oh yay), i've only seen another 2500 today in my daily commute. Same goes for Astras, Vectras etc. Stuff if its a ST this or that, its still the same car to the everyday motorist.
b. Fiats can be made so much fun through modification (as I'm sure all cars can), if the drive is a problem to someone.
c.Quality issues are streets ahead of say the Stilo (no offence to Stilo owners), I've driven both and I think it takes the improvement to really be able to comment on whether they have improved.
I test drove a 150 t-jet the other day and it felt solid as a rock. (yes I know it was nearly new) but, Fiats of five years ago often felt ropey from the showroom.
I honestly think the Bravo is a step in the right direction.
Sorry if this is mildly off topic too,
So true about Fords & Vauxhalls though - what is it with people? 'Ive just bought a new Fiesta'.......wow that took a lot of thought didn't it, very original:bang:
Would much rather have something like a Fiat, and im pleased to report that in 60,000 miles ive spent just £80 on unexpected repairs, everything else just routine servicing Meanwhile mates & family with their Minis, Renaults, MGs & Vauxhalls continue to suffer airbags deploying just from shutting a door (new Corsa), £5000 repair bill for a head gasket (Mini Dealer) & premature wear & breakdowns (Renault, MG & Mini).
I love my Fiat
Would much rather have something like a Fiat, and im pleased to report that in 60,000 miles ive spent just £80 on unexpected repairs, everything else just routine servicing
Meanwhile mates & family with their Minis, Renaults, MGs & Vauxhalls continue to suffer airbags deploying just from shutting a door (new Corsa), £5000 repair bill for a head gasket (Mini Dealer) & premature wear & breakdowns (Renault, MG & Mini).I love my Fiat
Apologies my comment was even more off topic. With regard to engines, is 35mpg for a 1.4 90bhp engine THAT bad? I had an 02 reg Clio 1.4 16v and that only managed 39mpg even when it had over 20k on the clock & was run in. Im sure the Bravo weighs a fair bit more than my Clio did & i'd guess its not done many miles yet either, so it might improve a little?
Apologies my comment was even more off topic. With regard to engines, is 35mpg for a 1.4 90bhp engine THAT bad? I had an 02 reg Clio 1.4 16v and that only managed 39mpg even when it had over 20k on the clock & was run in. Im sure the Bravo weighs a fair bit more than my Clio did & i'd guess its not done many miles yet either, so it might improve a little?
I think i was replying to another post about Bravo fuel consumption.....bad day....think i'll have a lie down
