Technical Brake Fluid and Coolant

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So looking at this brake fluid in my 1.2 Panda Pop Petrol, does it look like it needs changing as I have no record of when it was last done.

If it needs doing will do coolant at same time and transmission oil.

What brands or each:

Brake Fluid
Coolant
Transmission Oil

Would you recommend to get?

Thanks
 
Model
Panda Pop 1.2
Year
2015
Mileage
61900
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Brake Fluid

Brake fluid deteriorates with use, should be flushed/bled 2-3 year intervals tops.
It's hygroscopic (it absorbs moisture from exposure from air), and deteriorates from constant heating at the brake cylinders/calipers.

That's why you don't leave the reservoir lid off or loose, or use already opened tins that have sat about after being opened and you have lying around..

A good branded DOT 4 fluid.
 
Brake fluid deteriorates with use, should be flushed/bled 2-3 year intervals tops.
It's hygroscopic (it absorbs moisture from exposure from air), and deteriorates from constant heating at the brake cylinders/calipers.

That's why you don't leave the reservoir lid off or loose, or use already opened tins that have sat about after being opened and you have lying around..

A good branded DOT 4 fluid.
I heard Castrol do one which burns at a higher temperature called React. Does it make much difference?
 
I heard Castrol do one which burns at a higher temperature called React. Does it make much difference?

You're not setting fire to it :unsure: :LOL:

Higher boiling point is a good spec to look for , but marketing speak often just comes out without the actual spec.
Look for the actual detail and compare.
 
What brand would you recommend for brake fluid?

And also what coolant do I need? Any specific brand?
 
I don't do brand recommendations have a look in the handbook I think DOT 4 is the spec. If you don't have a handbook with the car there is a downloadable version. Coolant just use the same colour (pink or blue - I don't know which).
 
So looking at this brake fluid in my 1.2 Panda Pop Petrol, does it look like it needs changing as I have no record of when it was last done.

If it needs doing will do coolant at same time and transmission oil.

What brands or each:

Brake Fluid
Coolant
Transmission Oil

Would you recommend to get?

Thanks
It's all in the handbook that came with the car...
Hi Adam. I've only just picked up on this thread. Re the brake fluid. As people are saying above, there's a standard it must comply with and DOT4 is by far the most common. I think every car I've worked on for most of my life used DOT4 which I buy from a factor or reputable supplier like Halfords. You talk of a more "robust" higher temperature fluid? That's likely to be DOT4 PLUS (sometimes written as DOT4+) In my experience it's mostly specified for high performance or heavy duty applications where the braking system is likely to be subject to high stresses - ie repeated higher than normal temperatures - After checking in the manual, I've always used DOT4 in the family vehicles and never had a problem. Just use the recommended fluid, manufacturer almost doesn't matter, I'd say it's more important to buy from a trusted source to avoid the possibility of a counterfeit product. Oh, and DOT4 PLUS is quite a bit more expensive. There's also silicon brake fluid (identified as DOT5) which attracted me when I first learned about it as it doesn't attract moisture - much more expensive though: https://www.automec.co.uk/products/silicone-brake-fluid-dot-5. Also although it doesn't degrade like DOT4 you need to think about contamination from particles of rubber seals wearing etc - I hear it also doesn't give such a hard pedal - anyway, I've never tried it. It doesn't mix with the other brake fluids either and is much less commonly stocked by most shops so you might have a problem with it if an emergency top up was needed.

The simple answer about lubricants is to consult your manual and buy an oil which meets the quoted spec. When you start looking into lubricants you'll find it's a very confusing wormhole which it's all to easy to spend many hours investigating and still not understanding all about! I'm a bit obsessive about transmission fluids - as compared to engine oils where I do have my favourites but will allow myself some leeway - I buy my Fiat transmission oils from Shop4parts and use the Fiat recommended Selenia product, which I think for yours will be: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...da_IV_(2012_to_)_1.2_8v_69hp_Transmission_Oil You can look around for cheaper options but, in the grand order of things it's not a lot to pay and you're not doing it at very frequent intervals. Using the correct product ensures stuff like synchros, bearings, selector forks, etc, etc are all lubricated to spec whereas if you use a non specific product, which maybe is sold to you as "better" may only be "better" in one respect but worse in others. I'd never use an additive in a transmission oil.

Coolant? I walk into my local trade factor - who is now part of the NAPA organization - and ask him to look it up in his database from the vehicle reg no. In the past I've bought concentrate in 5 litre containers and buy deionized or distilled - if I can find it - water, also in 5 litre containers (usually from Halfords 'cos it's cheap) and mix it up 50/50. I then mix a little extra and keep it in a 2 litre pop bottle for topping up. However, just of late, I'm thinking I may just buy ready mix because I'm not quite so happy using the deionized water when I can't find distilled - which seems to be most of the time now.

Edit. Brands? I think that's very much influenced by what you've used and been happy with in your own experience. For the last 15 years or so I've used FUCHS engine oils and had good results - ie. no oil related problems and nice quiet running engines in "the family fleet" (probably about 10 cars of different makes in that period) Before becoming "obsessed" with FUCHS I've used Castrol, Duckhams, Exol, Comma, and others, always to manufacturer's spec or, at least, to the recommended API/ACEA spec if in an engine which does not particularly stress it's oil (ie with a turbo etc) Our wee FIRE engines are not very demanding on their oil so any good oil which meets the spec will be adequate. I would always buy the specific oil recommended by the manufacturer for transmissions though and I'd be very careful to buy a high quality oil for anything with a turbo on it - Turboes really, REALLY, stress their oils.
 
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Just a wee add on to the big post I made above. Quite a number of years ago I bought a quite expensive boiling point brake fluid tester - a really professional piece of kit. Why would I do that when I'm not now working professionally any more and just maintaining family vehicles? Well, at least 75% of these vehicles are quite old so tend to have corrosion problems and one of these is seized up bleed nipples on callipers and wheel cylinders - most of us will have had problems with these snapping off - eh lads? A pain in the butt which can turn a simple two minute job into a bit of a nightmare. So I decided a fluid tester might mean I would have to change fluid only when really needed - so less frequently. Well, the tool works really well, It's a Liquid Levers Suretest. which cost £139 back in 2013. I was lucky in that my three children payed for most of it as a Christmas present, I had to make a small top up addition. The first few times I used it seemed to prove that some of the cars needed fluid changes around the 2 years and some didn't. But, in the longer run, it's only gone to prove that the fluid tends to need to be change around the 3 year period in most of the cars. The tool works by inserting it's probe into the reservoir - or a sample you've drawn off into a wee container (supplied with the kit) and initiating the test. It takes the fluid to boiling point and gives a readout on it's display. I've tried repeating the test two or three times to see how accurate it is and results are very repeatable so I believe the tool is accurate. If you are testing for repeatability then you need to take separate samples (3 in this case) before you start as the test, by it's very nature - it's a boiling point test - vapourises moisture from the sample so if you repeat the test on the same sample it will have less moisture so gives a different reading! I find also that for maximum accuracy you need to gently "swish" the end of the probe around in the fluid before pressing the button to make sure there are not any air bubbles around the enclosed heating element. Just a few years ago I spotted a special offer on a pencil type brake fluid tester. This is the other type available which tests the resistivity of the fluid by passing a small electric current through it. It's not actually a true boiling point tester. I love "gadgets" and couldn't resist it (pun intended) It's a much simpler device to use, rather like a somewhat thick fountain pen powered by a triple A battery and much cheaper to buy. In fact it has a clip, like a fountain pen, so you can keep it in your top overall pocket. Personally I wouldn't do that though as brake fluid on your overalls, considering the effect it has on paintwork, would not be a good idea - I don't wear an overall anyway, usually just a Tee shirt, so no pocket! It has two metal probes on the end and to use it you submerge the probes in the fluid and press it's button. There's a light display on the side which indicates pass/fail etc. It works, after a fashion, but is nothing like as accurate as the Suretest and much less repeatable when tested back to back. I'd use it as a very rough guide only.

So my conclusion? yes the boiling point tester is very accurate - as I expected it would be - but all it's gone to prove is that, for most vehicles, changing fluid at two years, or maybe three if your a skinflint, is a very good regime to get into. What the testers don't take into consideration is the contamination of the fluid by anything other than water, like seal particles and dirt which gets in through the reservoir perhaps. I think doing regular changes is the way to go. - and don't forget to do your clutch fluid too (if yours has a hydraulic clutch and it doesn't share the brake fluid reservoir with the brakes.) In hindsight I'd have spent my money more wisely buying my Vibroshock socket set which enables the slackening of seized cylinder nipples and forgetting about brake fluid testers and just doing a fluid change every three years, which is what I'm doing anyway, and spending the £140 on something else. Different if you're working commercially on vehicles who's history you don't know though. Then I would use the boiling point tool on ever service I did.

Edit. As most of us will know, The most common brake fluids, Dot 3, Dot 4 and 4plus are all highly hygroscopic - Take up water and moisture from any source including atmospheric air. The braking system is almost a sealed system except for the reservoir which will have a sealed cap but with an air bleed, most commonly in the cap itself, to allow for brake fluid being transferred into the system as friction materials wear. A small amount of moisture will enter via this breather, that's unavoidable, but resist the temptation to remove the reservoir cap unless unavoidable (for instance to top up or when working on the system) If you periodically remove it, for instance simply to check the fluid level, you are greatly increasing the opportunity for the fluid to absorb moisture from the air you're allowing to enter. These days the reservoirs are semi transparent anyway and if you're having difficulty seeing levels just hold a torch or light source of some type behind the reservoir.

I just thought, some reading this may not understand how dangerous and insidious moisture in brake fluid can be. Yes it's going to increase corrosion in the system so you're likely to need to change slave cylinders/callipers maybe even a master cylinder before otherwise would be the case BUT, the big problem is that water is a solid, so not compressible at the sort of pressures in a braking system so behaves, hydraulically, like the liquid brake fluid. However, unfortunately, water boils at a lower temperature than brake fluid and when water boils it changes into being a gas which is very compressible and absolutely useless in a braking system. Therefore, moisture contaminated brake fluid is a "ticking timebomb" in that most of the time the brakes will work normally because the water is liquid, BUT, under duress, so a couple of emergency stops from high speed, maybe on the motorway, or, as I found in my old Anglia going down the hill into Lynmouth, the brakes get so hot that the heat is taken into the fluid in the wheel cylinders/calipers and heats it above the boiling point of water. It turns to steam and the brake pedal, which has felt absolutely normal up to that point suddenly becomes spongy and very soon after goes to the floor as the steam allows itself to be compressed. I was very lucky and managed to pull into a run off to let things cool down. Also it had drums all round which aren't good at shedding heat - Discs are much better but can still suffer the problem in extremes. So, don't remove reservoir caps unless really necessary and renew fluid every 2 to 3 years - It's frightening how many don't do this and they're only getting away with it because the situations where the system gets hot enough are few and far between.
 
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Just a wee add on to the big post I made above. Quite a number of years ago I bought a quite expensive boiling point brake fluid tester - a really professional piece of kit. Why would I do that when I'm not now working professionally any more and just maintaining family vehicles? Well, at least 75% of these vehicles are quite old so tend to have corrosion problems and one of these is seized up bleed nipples on callipers and wheel cylinders - most of us will have had problems with these snapping off - eh lads? A pain in the butt which can turn a simple two minute job into a bit of a nightmare. So I decided a fluid tester might mean I would have to change fluid only when really needed - so less frequently. Well, the tool works really well, It's a Liquid Levers Suretest. which cost £139 back in 2013. I was lucky in that my three children payed for most of it as a Christmas present, I had to make a small top up addition. The first few times I used it seemed to prove that some of the cars needed fluid changes around the 2 years and some didn't. But, in the longer run, it's only gone to prove that the fluid tends to need to be change around the 3 year period in most of the cars. The tool works by inserting it's probe into the reservoir - or a sample you've drawn off into a wee container (supplied with the kit) and initiating the test. It takes the fluid to boiling point and gives a readout on it's display. I've tried repeating the test two or three times to see how accurate it is and results are very repeatable so I believe the tool is accurate. If you are testing for repeatability then you need to take separate samples (3 in this case) before you start as the test, by it's very nature - it's a boiling point test - vapourises moisture from the sample so if you repeat the test on the same sample it will have less moisture so gives a different reading! I find also that for maximum accuracy you need to gently "swish" the end of the probe around in the fluid before pressing the button to make sure there are not any air bubbles around the enclosed heating element. Just a few years ago I spotted a special offer on a pencil type brake fluid tester. This is the other type available which tests the resistivity of the fluid by passing a small electric current through it. It's not actually a true boiling point tester. I love "gadgets" and couldn't resist it (pun intended) It's a much simpler device to use, rather like a somewhat thick fountain pen powered by a triple A battery and much cheaper to buy. In fact it has a clip, like a fountain pen, so you can keep it in your top overall pocket. Personally I wouldn't do that though as brake fluid on your overalls, considering the effect it has on paintwork, would not be a good idea - I don't wear an overall anyway, usually just a Tee shirt, so no pocket! It has two metal probes on the end and to use it you submerge the probes in the fluid and press it's button. There's a light display on the side which indicates pass/fail etc. It works, after a fashion, but is nothing like as accurate as the Suretest and much less repeatable when tested back to back. I'd use it as a very rough guide only.

So my conclusion? yes the boiling point tester is very accurate - as I expected it would be - but all it's gone to prove is that, for most vehicles, changing fluid at two years, or maybe three if your a skinflint, is a very good regime to get into. What the testers don't take into consideration is the contamination of the fluid by anything other than water, like seal particles and dirt which gets in through the reservoir perhaps. I think doing regular changes is the way to go. - and don't forget to do your clutch fluid too (if yours has a hydraulic clutch and it doesn't share the brake fluid reservoir with the brakes.) In hindsight I'd have spent my money more wisely buying my Vibroshock socket set which enables the slackening of seized cylinder nipples and forgetting about brake fluid testers and just doing a fluid change every three years, which is what I'm doing anyway, and spending the £140 on something else. Different if you're working commercially on vehicles who's history you don't know though. Then I would use the boiling point tool on ever service I did.

Edit. As most of us will know, The most common brake fluids, Dot 3, Dot 4 and 4plus are all highly hygroscopic - Take up water and moisture from any source including atmospheric air. The braking system is almost a sealed system except for the reservoir which will have a sealed cap but with an air bleed, most commonly in the cap itself, to allow for brake fluid being transferred into the system as friction materials wear. A small amount of moisture will enter via this breather, that's unavoidable, but resist the temptation to remove the reservoir cap unless unavoidable (for instance to top up or when working on the system) If you periodically remove it, for instance simply to check the fluid level, you are greatly increasing the opportunity for the fluid to absorb moisture from the air you're allowing to enter. These days the reservoirs are semi transparent anyway and if you're having difficulty seeing levels just hold a torch or light source of some type behind the reservoir.

I just thought, some reading this may not understand how dangerous and insidious moisture in brake fluid can be. Yes it's going to increase corrosion in the system so you're likely to need to change slave cylinders/callipers maybe even a master cylinder before otherwise would be the case BUT, the big problem is that water is a solid, so not compressible at the sort of pressures in a braking system so behaves, hydraulically, like the liquid brake fluid. However, unfortunately, water boils at a lower temperature than brake fluid and when water boils it changes into being a gas which is very compressible and absolutely useless in a braking system. Therefore, moisture contaminated brake fluid is a "ticking timebomb" in that most of the time the brakes will work normally because the water is liquid, BUT, under duress, so a couple of emergency stops from high speed, maybe on the motorway, or, as I found in my old Anglia going down the hill into Lynmouth, the brakes get so hot that the heat is taken into the fluid in the wheel cylinders/calipers and heats it above the boiling point of water. It turns to steam and the brake pedal, which has felt absolutely normal up to that point suddenly becomes spongy and very soon after goes to the floor as the steam allows itself to be compressed. I was very lucky and managed to pull into a run off to let things cool down. Also it had drums all round which aren't good at shedding heat - Discs are much better but can still suffer the problem in extremes. So, don't remove reservoir caps unless really necessary and renew fluid every 2 to 3 years - It's frightening how many don't do this and they're only getting away with it because the situations where the system gets hot enough are few and far between.
Just an add on too your excellent articles Dot4 plus brake fluid is also recommended in very cold climates due to the lower viscosity at very low temperatures.
 
Just a wee add on to the big post I made above. Quite a number of years ago I bought a quite expensive boiling point brake fluid tester - a really professional piece of kit. Why would I do that when I'm not now working professionally any more and just maintaining family vehicles? Well, at least 75% of these vehicles are quite old so tend to have corrosion problems and one of these is seized up bleed nipples on callipers and wheel cylinders - most of us will have had problems with these snapping off - eh lads? A pain in the butt which can turn a simple two minute job into a bit of a nightmare. So I decided a fluid tester might mean I would have to change fluid only when really needed - so less frequently. Well, the tool works really well, It's a Liquid Levers Suretest. which cost £139 back in 2013. I was lucky in that my three children payed for most of it as a Christmas present, I had to make a small top up addition. The first few times I used it seemed to prove that some of the cars needed fluid changes around the 2 years and some didn't. But, in the longer run, it's only gone to prove that the fluid tends to need to be change around the 3 year period in most of the cars. The tool works by inserting it's probe into the reservoir - or a sample you've drawn off into a wee container (supplied with the kit) and initiating the test. It takes the fluid to boiling point and gives a readout on it's display. I've tried repeating the test two or three times to see how accurate it is and results are very repeatable so I believe the tool is accurate. If you are testing for repeatability then you need to take separate samples (3 in this case) before you start as the test, by it's very nature - it's a boiling point test - vapourises moisture from the sample so if you repeat the test on the same sample it will have less moisture so gives a different reading! I find also that for maximum accuracy you need to gently "swish" the end of the probe around in the fluid before pressing the button to make sure there are not any air bubbles around the enclosed heating element. Just a few years ago I spotted a special offer on a pencil type brake fluid tester. This is the other type available which tests the resistivity of the fluid by passing a small electric current through it. It's not actually a true boiling point tester. I love "gadgets" and couldn't resist it (pun intended) It's a much simpler device to use, rather like a somewhat thick fountain pen powered by a triple A battery and much cheaper to buy. In fact it has a clip, like a fountain pen, so you can keep it in your top overall pocket. Personally I wouldn't do that though as brake fluid on your overalls, considering the effect it has on paintwork, would not be a good idea - I don't wear an overall anyway, usually just a Tee shirt, so no pocket! It has two metal probes on the end and to use it you submerge the probes in the fluid and press it's button. There's a light display on the side which indicates pass/fail etc. It works, after a fashion, but is nothing like as accurate as the Suretest and much less repeatable when tested back to back. I'd use it as a very rough guide only.

So my conclusion? yes the boiling point tester is very accurate - as I expected it would be - but all it's gone to prove is that, for most vehicles, changing fluid at two years, or maybe three if your a skinflint, is a very good regime to get into. What the testers don't take into consideration is the contamination of the fluid by anything other than water, like seal particles and dirt which gets in through the reservoir perhaps. I think doing regular changes is the way to go. - and don't forget to do your clutch fluid too (if yours has a hydraulic clutch and it doesn't share the brake fluid reservoir with the brakes.) In hindsight I'd have spent my money more wisely buying my Vibroshock socket set which enables the slackening of seized cylinder nipples and forgetting about brake fluid testers and just doing a fluid change every three years, which is what I'm doing anyway, and spending the £140 on something else. Different if you're working commercially on vehicles who's history you don't know though. Then I would use the boiling point tool on ever service I did.

Edit. As most of us will know, The most common brake fluids, Dot 3, Dot 4 and 4plus are all highly hygroscopic - Take up water and moisture from any source including atmospheric air. The braking system is almost a sealed system except for the reservoir which will have a sealed cap but with an air bleed, most commonly in the cap itself, to allow for brake fluid being transferred into the system as friction materials wear. A small amount of moisture will enter via this breather, that's unavoidable, but resist the temptation to remove the reservoir cap unless unavoidable (for instance to top up or when working on the system) If you periodically remove it, for instance simply to check the fluid level, you are greatly increasing the opportunity for the fluid to absorb moisture from the air you're allowing to enter. These days the reservoirs are semi transparent anyway and if you're having difficulty seeing levels just hold a torch or light source of some type behind the reservoir.

I just thought, some reading this may not understand how dangerous and insidious moisture in brake fluid can be. Yes it's going to increase corrosion in the system so you're likely to need to change slave cylinders/callipers maybe even a master cylinder before otherwise would be the case BUT, the big problem is that water is a solid, so not compressible at the sort of pressures in a braking system so behaves, hydraulically, like the liquid brake fluid. However, unfortunately, water boils at a lower temperature than brake fluid and when water boils it changes into being a gas which is very compressible and absolutely useless in a braking system. Therefore, moisture contaminated brake fluid is a "ticking timebomb" in that most of the time the brakes will work normally because the water is liquid, BUT, under duress, so a couple of emergency stops from high speed, maybe on the motorway, or, as I found in my old Anglia going down the hill into Lynmouth, the brakes get so hot that the heat is taken into the fluid in the wheel cylinders/calipers and heats it above the boiling point of water. It turns to steam and the brake pedal, which has felt absolutely normal up to that point suddenly becomes spongy and very soon after goes to the floor as the steam allows itself to be compressed. I was very lucky and managed to pull into a run off to let things cool down. Also it had drums all round which aren't good at shedding heat - Discs are much better but can still suffer the problem in extremes. So, don't remove reservoir caps unless really necessary and renew fluid every 2 to 3 years - It's frightening how many don't do this and they're only getting away with it because the situations where the system gets hot enough are few and far between.
Quite right too :cool:
 
Just a wee add on to the big post I made above. Quite a number of years ago I bought a quite expensive boiling point brake fluid tester - a really professional piece of kit. Why would I do that when I'm not now working professionally any more and just maintaining family vehicles? Well, at least 75% of these vehicles are quite old so tend to have corrosion problems and one of these is seized up bleed nipples on callipers and wheel cylinders - most of us will have had problems with these snapping off - eh lads? A pain in the butt which can turn a simple two minute job into a bit of a nightmare. So I decided a fluid tester might mean I would have to change fluid only when really needed - so less frequently. Well, the tool works really well, It's a Liquid Levers Suretest. which cost £139 back in 2013. I was lucky in that my three children payed for most of it as a Christmas present, I had to make a small top up addition. The first few times I used it seemed to prove that some of the cars needed fluid changes around the 2 years and some didn't. But, in the longer run, it's only gone to prove that the fluid tends to need to be change around the 3 year period in most of the cars. The tool works by inserting it's probe into the reservoir - or a sample you've drawn off into a wee container (supplied with the kit) and initiating the test. It takes the fluid to boiling point and gives a readout on it's display. I've tried repeating the test two or three times to see how accurate it is and results are very repeatable so I believe the tool is accurate. If you are testing for repeatability then you need to take separate samples (3 in this case) before you start as the test, by it's very nature - it's a boiling point test - vapourises moisture from the sample so if you repeat the test on the same sample it will have less moisture so gives a different reading! I find also that for maximum accuracy you need to gently "swish" the end of the probe around in the fluid before pressing the button to make sure there are not any air bubbles around the enclosed heating element. Just a few years ago I spotted a special offer on a pencil type brake fluid tester. This is the other type available which tests the resistivity of the fluid by passing a small electric current through it. It's not actually a true boiling point tester. I love "gadgets" and couldn't resist it (pun intended) It's a much simpler device to use, rather like a somewhat thick fountain pen powered by a triple A battery and much cheaper to buy. In fact it has a clip, like a fountain pen, so you can keep it in your top overall pocket. Personally I wouldn't do that though as brake fluid on your overalls, considering the effect it has on paintwork, would not be a good idea - I don't wear an overall anyway, usually just a Tee shirt, so no pocket! It has two metal probes on the end and to use it you submerge the probes in the fluid and press it's button. There's a light display on the side which indicates pass/fail etc. It works, after a fashion, but is nothing like as accurate as the Suretest and much less repeatable when tested back to back. I'd use it as a very rough guide only.

So my conclusion? yes the boiling point tester is very accurate - as I expected it would be - but all it's gone to prove is that, for most vehicles, changing fluid at two years, or maybe three if your a skinflint, is a very good regime to get into. What the testers don't take into consideration is the contamination of the fluid by anything other than water, like seal particles and dirt which gets in through the reservoir perhaps. I think doing regular changes is the way to go. - and don't forget to do your clutch fluid too (if yours has a hydraulic clutch and it doesn't share the brake fluid reservoir with the brakes.) In hindsight I'd have spent my money more wisely buying my Vibroshock socket set which enables the slackening of seized cylinder nipples and forgetting about brake fluid testers and just doing a fluid change every three years, which is what I'm doing anyway, and spending the £140 on something else. Different if you're working commercially on vehicles who's history you don't know though. Then I would use the boiling point tool on ever service I did.

Edit. As most of us will know, The most common brake fluids, Dot 3, Dot 4 and 4plus are all highly hygroscopic - Take up water and moisture from any source including atmospheric air. The braking system is almost a sealed system except for the reservoir which will have a sealed cap but with an air bleed, most commonly in the cap itself, to allow for brake fluid being transferred into the system as friction materials wear. A small amount of moisture will enter via this breather, that's unavoidable, but resist the temptation to remove the reservoir cap unless unavoidable (for instance to top up or when working on the system) If you periodically remove it, for instance simply to check the fluid level, you are greatly increasing the opportunity for the fluid to absorb moisture from the air you're allowing to enter. These days the reservoirs are semi transparent anyway and if you're having difficulty seeing levels just hold a torch or light source of some type behind the reservoir.

I just thought, some reading this may not understand how dangerous and insidious moisture in brake fluid can be. Yes it's going to increase corrosion in the system so you're likely to need to change slave cylinders/callipers maybe even a master cylinder before otherwise would be the case BUT, the big problem is that water is a solid, so not compressible at the sort of pressures in a braking system so behaves, hydraulically, like the liquid brake fluid. However, unfortunately, water boils at a lower temperature than brake fluid and when water boils it changes into being a gas which is very compressible and absolutely useless in a braking system. Therefore, moisture contaminated brake fluid is a "ticking timebomb" in that most of the time the brakes will work normally because the water is liquid, BUT, under duress, so a couple of emergency stops from high speed, maybe on the motorway, or, as I found in my old Anglia going down the hill into Lynmouth, the brakes get so hot that the heat is taken into the fluid in the wheel cylinders/calipers and heats it above the boiling point of water. It turns to steam and the brake pedal, which has felt absolutely normal up to that point suddenly becomes spongy and very soon after goes to the floor as the steam allows itself to be compressed. I was very lucky and managed to pull into a run off to let things cool down. Also it had drums all round which aren't good at shedding heat - Discs are much better but can still suffer the problem in extremes. So, don't remove reservoir caps unless really necessary and renew fluid every 2 to 3 years - It's frightening how many don't do this and they're only getting away with it because the situations where the system gets hot enough are few and far between.
Hello,

And thank you for the very informative and helpful information.. so the oil I got for my engine last week which was done on a service is Castrol, the engine still sounds noisy, not sure if an underlaying problem somewhere else.

Brake fluid I have NAPA own brand DOT 4
Coolant - Napa Red 5L ready mixed oat solution
Transmission: Again Napa own brand 75W Fully Synthetic.


Think these will all do the job? Thinking the engine oil is not as good as it should be?
 
Any brand of coolant and brake fluid should be fine. It’s the specs (DOT4 and OAT) that matter. In the case of the brake fluid, only use new from a previously un-opened container.

For the oil, it’s the specs there too - a basic ‘runniness’ rating (the viscosity) shown as (for example) 5W30… which has a ‘thickness’ of 5 in the winter and 30 in summer.

But, crucially it’s the more specific specs (eg the AECA rating such as A4 or C3) that really matter. These describe how the oil behaves once in the engine.

Which Castrol oil was used? (There are dozens to choose from…
 
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Any brand of coolant and brake fluid should be fine. It’s the specs (DOT4 and OAT) that matter. In the case of the brake fluid, only use new from a previously un-opened container.

For the oil, it’s the specs there too - a basic ‘runniness’ rating (the viscosity) shown as (for example) 5W30… which has a ‘thickness’ of 5 in the winter and 30 in summer.

But, crucially it’s the more specific specs (eg the AECA rating such as A4 or C3) that really matter. These describe how the oil behaves once in the engine.

Which Castrol oil was used? (There are dozens to choose from…
Hello,

I think it was Castrol Edge, 5W 40.

Thanks
 
Hello,

And thank you for the very informative and helpful information.. so the oil I got for my engine last week which was done on a service is Castrol, the engine still sounds noisy, not sure if an underlaying problem somewhere else.

Brake fluid I have NAPA own brand DOT 4
Coolant - Napa Red 5L ready mixed oat solution
Transmission: Again Napa own brand 75W Fully Synthetic.


Think these will all do the job? Thinking the engine oil is not as good as it should be?
Without knowing the actual oil spec used I can't make any comment other than to say Castrol is one of the biggest and oldest names in the "oil game" so, as long as it's the correct spec - So something like a 5W-40 to API SN or ACEA C3 (but others are also suitable, you need to check the vehicle manufacturer manual) Opie oils also has an excellent oil finder which works with your registration number and gives a choice of different brands which are suitable.

The NAPA brake fluid will be fine, used it myself.

Likewise for the coolant - I've got some in our "Becky" right now.

The recommended Petronas Tutela Technyx gear oil is an API GL 4plus oil of 75W-85 viscosity fully synthetic of course as most are these days. The "4 plus" rating is a bit unusual and, I believe not actually listed in the API specs. However I've done a lot of searching and am pretty sure its basically a GL4 with some of the advantages of a GL5 in terms of lubricity but without the additive problems which the GL5 can cause to yellow metal components. From what I can see the 75W Napa oil is a "straight" GL4. If so it won't have the potential problem a GL5 might have. My guess would be it's probably going to be fine but it isn't, from what I can see, recommended by Fiat.

The GL4/GL5 "thing" is a bit complicated. When GL5 first came out it was formulated differently to GL4 - which had been on the go for years. It contained more extreme pressure additives (and other stuff too) so was considered superior to the older GL spec. It didn't take long for stories of transmission failure to start rolling in! The technical reason is quite complicated but you can think of it as a leaching problem with yellow metals - so stuff like synchro rings, gear selector forks, bushes and plain bearings. Anything made from metals like brass and bronze. The problem was that, on paper the GL5 product looked superior so many folks were sold it as a superior product by sales people who has no technical background or they, the customer, would see the adverts extoling it's virtues and buy it in ignorance. Lots of expensive damage was done to boxes with yellow metal content and, although "the word" started filtering down it was never really taken on by everyone and you'd sometimes hear of another one that had been damaged. So, as far as I'm aware, the big name oil producers started modifying their formulas so their GL5 rated products wouldn't damage a box for which GL4 was specified. I've no idea if every bottle of gear oil with a GL5 label on it will be compliant or if it's just the major brands or whatever. I also wonder if new old stock is still filtering through the system. So I stick religiously to the manufacturer spec for any vehicle I'm putting transmission oil in. If it says 75W-85 GL4plus then that's what it will get, If it says 85w-90 GL4 then I'd move heaven and earth to find some, and if it was something with a GL5 spec, I'd be looking for a GL5.

Group Auto/Alliance, under whose flag NAPA now does business in Europe, and seems to be popping up all over, sold branded engine oils - Trade Tech and Truck Tech - which, I was told and have seen on the internet, were/are made by Exol. I've used them and had no problems. However I believe engine oils branded NAPA in the States are actually made for them by Valvoline? So I really don't know who's product is in the NAPA UK containers but might guess it's EXOL?
 
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