General Bang from the rear when going over bumps then read this!

[Big Black Stilo]

As long as you use PayPal you'd be protected. You'd have to make sure you did the job within 45 days of buying it although you would lose the cost of returning it one way (presumably in pieces )

it wont be in pieces, it just wont work full stop. everything will look ok then you start to apply pressure, nothing moves, then you start to ramp it up, still nothing moves, then pop, game over, its slipped out of position

 

[Argonought]

it wont be in pieces, it just wont work full stop. everything will look ok then you start to apply pressure, nothing moves, then you start to ramp it up, still nothing moves, then pop, game over, its slipped out of position

I've never even seen the job attempted so I've got little idea how the device would even be used

I must admit though the nut and bolt don't look up to much

 

[Steven]

Rather than start a new thread. I've been reading about this and am I right in saying than the rear suspension gets noisy when the bushes need changed? Banging over potholes, thumping over gratings, etc? If so then I'm going to have to get this done. My MW is on 38000 miles.

It's also developed a bad squeak from the passengers side rear suspension. I read up on that yesterday and bought some grease which I was going to apply today to hopefully stop the squeak.

 

[Argonought]

Rather than start a new thread. I've been reading about this and am I right in saying than the rear suspension gets noisy when the bushes need changed? Banging over potholes, thumping over gratings, etc? If so then I'm going to have to get this done. My MW is on 38000 miles.

I think you'll find an oil leak from the bush is good give-away too (as BBS posted in the other thread).

That said, I've a minor leak from mine but it still sailed through the MoT with little real signs of a problem yet

 

[Steven]

So all is not lost quiet yet. It's next MOT is in October. I'll cross my fingers until then. Apart from the noise are there any safety implications?

 

[cris1117]

Hi All
I very much doubt the MOT will pick up on the bushes as already said the only real indication is the oil leaking out, the bushes will still look O.K and it’s very borderline if you put a bar on and look for play.
If you’re going to refit the axle yourself after the bushes are done the bolts on the bushes must not be fully tightened until the suspension is at normal ride height.

Good luck.

 

[Big Black Stilo]

it can fail MOT if there is too much play on the rear axle..... methinks?

 

[tenwierdufos]

+1

it definatly can.

its just boarderline if the mot'er will notice

 

[Argonought]

....and a good tip for a pass


buy some Gunk

 

[Deckchair5]

Well the Stilo isn't a huge or really heavy car. It's not a truck and it's not a boat so there's no reason it should need dockyard fit tolerances and dockyard equipment to fit suspension bushes.

From the looks of it (and many thanks to the guys who did the Stilo Guide pictures) then it appears a way over the top interference fit. Someone went wrong with the design interference fit figures and now they are left with bushes that require unnecessarily ridiculous forces to fit.


Haven't done the job (and probably never will) but if I did then I think I'd investigate accurately measuring the arm internal diameter and then, rather than take the whole assembly to a machine shop to press force the new bushes in, I'd investigate going the other way and take the bushes to a machine shop and have them externally ground to be much lighter fit. Maybe grind the centre 90% section of the metal sleeve like a cotton reel too. Probably only a 30mins job and then anyone could fit them with no more than a conventional puller or even simply make their own using a bolt and sockets


The bushes can't go anywhere so I see no reason for such a heavy interference fit. Change the quality of fit to something sensible, no different than any other car and the job could be very straightforward. Then put the bushes in the freezer and they'll probably slide in easier than Paris Hilton

 

[cris1117]

Hi deckchair
That’s more or less the way I tackled it but I used a carbide sanding disk in a drill and some guesswork instead of a lathe.
My post on this page
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/155708-rear-suspension-bush-leaking-something.html
It all sounds horrendous but it’s really not a big deal once you get started less than four hours the pair.
P.S the last one I did I used four flat tyre levers instead of steel plate for the spacers worked much better.
Good Luck

 

[Muppet1]

I must admit thinking to myself that they are held in by the bracket so why the tight fit. I will certainly look at carbide sading disc route as i also think its a bit over board to use a huge press to push them im.

 

[cris1117]

Completely over the top, the only reason I can think they do this is to get several hundred pounds for a new axle assembly which used to be the only way to go, for a long time the bushes were not even listed as a spare part.

 

[minimad99]

Did anyone ever manage to confirm if different models or body shapes use different bushes.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FIAT-STILO-RE...3|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50

these on ebay say they fit everything???

EDIT:
found the answer on Chris' link above post 8 by Davren

Just found version 41 of ePer. Part numbers have changed to:

Bush 50706505 £15.79 each
Bolt 60657242 £2.34 each

Same for all models.

Dave.

 

[minimad99]

Further update:

I've just spoken to my dealer and part number 50706505 has been superceeded twice with the latest being 51840600 @ £16.54 + VAT.

When he looked it up the first thing he said was "Have you got a big press" LOL, they've obviously had fun with these too.

Asked them how much to fit the parts and was quoted labour only £285.75 +VAT = £335.75. What do peeps think of that?

I think that must be 3-4 hours at dealer prices.
I'm gonna check with my independant garage but I doubt they could do it for much less than £200 for 4 hours and I doubt they've done it before, mmmmm

 

[Ics19]

Yepp, can confirm time/price as just had this done on our JTD MW at local dealer - it was the minimum hassle route. They said 4.5 hours (@ 70 quid an hour!) and parts were peanuts in comparison as mentioned elsewhere. The near side one was leaking and there was a definite "cluck" on even some minor pot holes. Maybe unrelated, but only noticed the leak/clunk after carrying a full load of firewood in the back - the headlight adjusters on 3 really weren't enough

Also got new rear springs at same time as recently had both fronts snap within weeks of each other and now paranoid - just tempting fate other wise

 

[Argonought]

Also got new rear springs at same time as recently had both fronts snap within weeks of each other and now paranoid - just tempting fate other wise

That's a good move

I bet they were well corroded

 

[colinsrea]

I changed the bushes, didn't find it to difficult to do took me longer to put it all back together as i was doing it by myself, make sure that you sand out the bush holder, some light oil and a large lump hammer for the last few millimeters, did find getting the old bush out a bit of a pain just to get through the rubber then hacksaw the old bush in two places then chisel out, that bit took about 5 minutes, then using a honing tool in the drill clean out the bush holder and take off about 500 thou, this will allow the bush easier access then using some allthread with long hexagon nuts (not normal ones) screw the new bush in went ok until the last few millimeters when it wouldn't go any more, got large lump hammer and hit the jig went in ok, done this both sides, in total about 6 hours, took longer to explain to the missus to press and hold the brake pedal down when bleeding the brakes, must invest in one of those one man brake bleeding kits.

 

[Deckchair5]

That's a cracker and well done. Even more so on your own.
"500 thou" though? They should have fallen through and out the other side

 

[charlieb0y]

Been meaning to re post but been busy. Had the bushes done, blimey what a difference.
week later though passengers front suspension spring snapped.
Here we go again