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Arrrgghhh What have I started???
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most of the people on this thread are guilty of that
Neofolis said:
If that comment was aimed at me. I never made any pretentions about being cool... Surely thats a matter of opinion. And as I already pointed out, I didn't misquote. I did take the quote out of context. most journalists do this, I'm sure most people think tha Ian Hislop is cool, he makes his living from this kind of deborchary.
I'm going to stick with being different as usual - when everyone has pictures I had text now vice versa
And my "i'm cool" was ironic if nobody noticed other than myself and Sammi.
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i dont want to follow the crowd, but i dont wanna be "uncool" either, so i have both
I do not usually direct my comment at people. what I said was in response to something I read, it may or may not have been you I don't really care.
Taking words out of context, I consider to be misquoting, it may not be using different words to the original quote, but if the inference is different then it is a misquote. I realise most people would not agree with that, but I beleive a quote is not just a collection of words it is a meaning.
The fact that most jounalists do it, is exactly what I said. I most certainly would not consider Ian Hislop cool, although he is very intelligent and whitty. By many peoples definitions of cool, which I don't agree with, Ian Hislop almost goes out of his way to be the antonym of cool.
Taking words out of context, I consider to be misquoting, it may not be using different words to the original quote, but if the inference is different then it is a misquote. I realise most people would not agree with that, but I beleive a quote is not just a collection of words it is a meaning.
The fact that most jounalists do it, is exactly what I said. I most certainly would not consider Ian Hislop cool, although he is very intelligent and whitty. By many peoples definitions of cool, which I don't agree with, Ian Hislop almost goes out of his way to be the antonym of cool.
agree with dave and stevec, anything i have to say on the matter has already been said
Whilst we're still on the subject of quotes:
To Quote
To repeat or copy the words of (another), usually with acknowledgment of the source
To Misquote
To quote erroneously or incorrectly
Context
The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.
Ergo: To quote implies no context, I have thus not misquoted.
To Quote
To repeat or copy the words of (another), usually with acknowledgment of the source
To Misquote
To quote erroneously or incorrectly
Context
The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.
Ergo: To quote implies no context, I have thus not misquoted.
Alex said:
So, if it is out of context it is not incorrect. I would say it is. Obviously the words are not incorrect, but the implied meaning is.
I know I'm on a losing arguement here, as I knew I was when I first said that most people wouldn't agree with me. Technically you are right, as you said in your retorts to Sammi.
I still think that quoting out of context is misquoting, but let's face it, everyone has their own way of using the English language and very few of us use it properly.
All that said, I have enough respect for English and sufficient distane for those who abuse it, to ignore my personal feelings about what the word should mean and to accept it's usual use.
I from here will not use the word misquoting when referring to quoting out of context.
I still think that quoting out of context is misquoting, but let's face it, everyone has their own way of using the English language and very few of us use it properly.
All that said, I have enough respect for English and sufficient distane for those who abuse it, to ignore my personal feelings about what the word should mean and to accept it's usual use.
I from here will not use the word misquoting when referring to quoting out of context.
Im starting to think i chose the wrong person to quote
Aren't you misquoting? Or just quoting out of context? I feel a context should be added to a quote, i.e. with [] so it makes sense and is representitive of what was said?
er i reckon i should poke everyone with a stick
In the case of my definitions, paul, I'll let you decide.
Lora: As for your quote, its a good one, and you should keep it. Not only does it main its context, its also very true IMO and its gramatically correct.
Neofolis: To misquote or quote erroneously:
Erroneous
1. Containing or derived from error; mistaken: erroneous conclusions.
2. Misleading; misled; mistaking.
Well you're not technically wrong, its a matter of opinion whether my quote is misleading; Sammi did actually write the words, I have only quoted a part of the source, and the context has changed depending on what the reader assumes I mean by the quote.
And just for the sake of completeness
misleading
tending to deceive or mislead either deliberately or inadvertently
and thus I must concede that I have misquoted... but I'm still not going to change my sig... but I may be meeting sammi's lawyer!
Lora: As for your quote, its a good one, and you should keep it. Not only does it main its context, its also very true IMO and its gramatically correct.
Neofolis: To misquote or quote erroneously:
Erroneous
1. Containing or derived from error; mistaken: erroneous conclusions.
2. Misleading; misled; mistaking.
Well you're not technically wrong, its a matter of opinion whether my quote is misleading; Sammi did actually write the words, I have only quoted a part of the source, and the context has changed depending on what the reader assumes I mean by the quote.
And just for the sake of completeness
misleading
tending to deceive or mislead either deliberately or inadvertently
and thus I must concede that I have misquoted... but I'm still not going to change my sig... but I may be meeting sammi's lawyer!
Alex, I just personally feel that the technical details of such words are fairly irrelevant? I feel quoting somebody out of context CAN mislead people in my understanding of the term, for example:
Stu said:
"Mine is bigger than my dad's" or whatever (oh I'll get into trouble now for misquoting lol) but that will be taken as a certain meaning whereas it was based on how big his house was. That IMO is misleading?
Stu said:
"Mine is bigger than my dad's" or whatever (oh I'll get into trouble now for misquoting lol) but that will be taken as a certain meaning whereas it was based on how big his house was. That IMO is misleading?
OMG this has turned really serious - i wouldnt get my lamyer on alex - i would poke him with a stick coz he likes it
This is all good
Having just read another thread there were so many of Sammi quotes that could have been used and weren't.
"I'd like to see your flaps".
"I haven't got flaps or a bobble"
These are again approximations and there was a third similar. In this case they are not out of context, but were almost definitely intended as double entendres, although Sammi may well protest her innocence.
"I'd like to see your flaps".
"I haven't got flaps or a bobble"
These are again approximations and there was a third similar. In this case they are not out of context, but were almost definitely intended as double entendres, although Sammi may well protest her innocence.
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Sammi is always innocent! Wait until her lawyer....
