does anyone know if my Panda 100hp has ABS on the rear. I am trying to buy rear wheel bearing kits and some are for ABS and some are not. These are all for a 1.4 and even entering my number plate i am no more informed. Can anyone through some light on this matter? Thanks:bang:
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babbo_umbro
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Seems very odd that the bearings would depend on whether or not there's ABS. Can understand that hubs are different on the 100HP as it has the disc brakes and all 100HPs in this country have ABS.
Maybe Fiat do the same as Vauxhall where the bearing itself is not replaceable and you have to buy a whole new hub with the ABS sensor attached?
It would appear that this is correct
http://seekpart24.com/fiat/panda-169-03/1-2-13613/wheel-bearing-100579
Not expensive though thankfully.
All 100hp's have ABS.
D4nny8oy
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The ABS sensor is still seperate. The hub comes with the bearing as one, and the magnetic phonic ring sealed inside the rear of the bearing itself.
That's what I meant to agree with
I know the ABS sensor is separate, I meant that the tone wheel (as Subaru calls them) was part of the bearing assembly Honest!
redlake27
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I hope someone can assist.....
I've just changed a rear wheelbearing....and now have the abs light on. It sometimes briefly goes out if I reverse, but comes back on as soon as I go forwards.
I've checked the sensor and that's all plugged in.... Any advice appreciated.
I've just changed a rear wheelbearing....and now have the abs light on. It sometimes briefly goes out if I reverse, but comes back on as soon as I go forwards.
I've checked the sensor and that's all plugged in.... Any advice appreciated.
All cars from mid 2004 have ABS as standard. It is possible some early 100hp in Europe may not have had it, but doubtful. Early 1.1s and 1.2s may not have had it, so parts suppliers just list both, although they will probably never sell the non-ABS bearing. Unless:....
Did you buy the non-ABS bearing? As D4nny8oy above states, the reluctor ring that generates the speed signal is built into the bearing, so wrong bearing will not generate any speed signal. With separate bearings, it is common to fit it the wrong way around, so no speed signal is generated, but as bearing is part of hub, that isn't possible with the Panda.
When you first turn on ignition, ABS light should come on, then go off after 3-5 seconds. ECU should at this point test all the speed sensors and give an ok result. It will not know that no signal would be generated until you move. If the bearing has no reluctor ring, the ABS light will come on again as soon as you move, even just a few inches.
So, if ABS light extinguishes, then illuminates as soon as you are moving, the bearing is likely wrong. If the light stays on before you start the car, the fault is with a speed sensor itself or another part of the ABS system
Did you buy the non-ABS bearing? As D4nny8oy above states, the reluctor ring that generates the speed signal is built into the bearing, so wrong bearing will not generate any speed signal. With separate bearings, it is common to fit it the wrong way around, so no speed signal is generated, but as bearing is part of hub, that isn't possible with the Panda.
When you first turn on ignition, ABS light should come on, then go off after 3-5 seconds. ECU should at this point test all the speed sensors and give an ok result. It will not know that no signal would be generated until you move. If the bearing has no reluctor ring, the ABS light will come on again as soon as you move, even just a few inches.
So, if ABS light extinguishes, then illuminates as soon as you are moving, the bearing is likely wrong. If the light stays on before you start the car, the fault is with a speed sensor itself or another part of the ABS system
In the UK it was only early Actives which didn't have ABS, from 2005/2006 onwards they did and I believe all Dynamics did.
redlake27
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Thanks Portland...
I think I'd ordered the wrong hub....having gone back to the ebay shop I now realise there are non-abs and abs hubs for sale. However, on the product that I purchased, the drop down menu for compatible cars lists the Panda 1.4 - so I may have grounds for a refund....
Thankyou for your explanation. Hopefully it will mean others don't make my mistake
I think I'd ordered the wrong hub....having gone back to the ebay shop I now realise there are non-abs and abs hubs for sale. However, on the product that I purchased, the drop down menu for compatible cars lists the Panda 1.4 - so I may have grounds for a refund....
Thankyou for your explanation. Hopefully it will mean others don't make my mistake
Not really as its only suitable for 1.4 without ABS. Not sellers fault your car has ABS.
If seller knew the product and application, he would know there were no 1.4 without ABS in the UK as they were launched after 2004 when ABS became standard. This was EU legislation so no excuses.
It may fit other models, earlier without ABS, but not Panda. Always worth asking, a good supplier will replace!
And who's to say the buyer hadn't got an import. Ultimately if its clear in the listing (which it sounds like it was) then it's the buyers error not the sellers.
If you can't return it, post its part number on here, or in the For Sale section, hopefully we can source a full list of applications and someone will want/need one without ABS.
