General 1972 500R Restoration - Giovanni

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General 1972 500R Restoration - Giovanni

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I thought it may be worthwhile to start a thread showing the (hopefully very thorough!) restoration of my 1972 500R. I bought the car already disassembled, however, the person I bought it from had also bought it in this state but not got around to actually doing any work on it. The condition of the body may have been a little daunting for both - as you will see below there is extensive rot.
Here is the body and parts as I received them:-

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A few of the parts sat in the back of the van for a little while until I'd worked out where to store them. I noticed that the engine was rattling as I drove along so invesitigated - the head was loose and teh pushrods rattling about, so I thought it best to pull it apart and make sure all was ok. Lucky I did as a I found teh following handy note on a piece of paper INSIDE the oil pan!!
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I then set to work on a shopping list of all the bits of what I might need to carry out a complete restoration of the car. All the work is to be carried out by myself, including the paint.
A trip to visit Franko at Ricambio in south London and I came back with whole load of mechanical items - bushes/brake system/load of rubber parts and many body panels. I knew this wouldn't be everything I needed but it should allow me to get going:-

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All the suspension, braking components and wheels have also been shot blasted, zinc primed and refinished in black, along with the engine tinwork and some of the internal metalwork. Lucky for me a friend of mine has a very large shotblasting cabinet I could use.

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These are all now built up into sub-assemblies with new bushes, braking components etc and stored away for assembly back into the bodyshell when it's ready.

Unfortunately when I got the car i didn't have a complete ignition key, just a broken off handle part! Luckily for me my family have a house in Tuscany where I'm very lucky to visit most summers, so I took the broken key and the ignition barrel with me in the hope that I'd be able to find some blank keys to make the lock work. I found some so I bought 10 expecting that I probably wont get it right first time. In fact it turned out to not be that complicated... I took all the pins out of the barrel and then made a key and the pins fit each other - I now have 3 ignition keys for my car and 7 spare blanks (if anyone needs blank 500R ignition key for a steering lock type car then get in touch).

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So now onto the body that's been waiting for me for 5months wrapped up outside:-

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Myself and my son picked it up and moved it into the garage onto trestles so it's at working height. First thing was to weld a frame inside to keep whatever will be left of it the correct shape for when it goes back together The intention is to cut as much of teh rot out before having the remains shotblasted. This will provide a good, clean starting point for the reconstruction. I already know I need s few more bits dash panel being one of them as it's rotted away and had a poor repair to the right hand end (historically or by one of the previous two owners).

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And then I got to work getting it ready for shotblasting. This is work in progress, but most of the RHS is shown to be now removed in these pictures below. I've taken a whole load of measurements from known datums to ensure correct reassembly.

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Another week or so and I should have the body ready for shotblasting. It's a little car and I've made it littler, so it should now fit in the back of my Renault Trafic for the journey!

Ray
 
This is looking like a promising start to a restoration 🙂 As you will find, they are simple little cars and a joy to work on once you get to the mechanical stage. The metalwork stage is about as bad as any other vehicle, haha!

It looks like you've got a fairly good basis for restoration there. Obviously lots of the outer panels are rotten, but with them removed I'm seeing no signs of crash damage, what on first impressions looks like a fairly good roof line and fairly solid looking structure around the hard mounting points, for example the front cross member area.

I'm sure I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but I would recommend making sure you've got a good door fit while the shell is braced up. My car was in a similar state and due to poor previous repairs to the sills (I presume without any bracing...) the shell had twisted a little meaning the the doors had dropped and no longer lined up with the aperture. With the floors and sills all out it was a simple job to adjust my bracing to line it back up. Had I not noticed till the sills were back on the car it would have been a more difficult task!
 
The last car I restored was a Mini for my son. Started like this:-

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Some of a bodyshell just before it was shotblasted:-
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And how it is today - it came out rather well :). There is currently a very lucky 17 year old driving this to school every day...

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It took just over a year from start to finish. Lucky Leo took it for a lap of the NC500 (turned out to be 800miles in the end) on Learner plates earlier this year when he was 17years and a 1 month old. I trailered it up there though as I don't think I could have faced a further 600miles each way (plus I'd have to drive it as he wouldn't have been able to use the motorways!)
 
This is looking like a promising start to a restoration 🙂 As you will find, they are simple little cars and a joy to work on once you get to the mechanical stage. The metalwork stage is about as bad as any other vehicle, haha!

It looks like you've got a fairly good basis for restoration there. Obviously lots of the outer panels are rotten, but with them removed I'm seeing no signs of crash damage, what on first impressions looks like a fairly good roof line and fairly solid looking structure around the hard mounting points, for example the front cross member area.

I'm sure I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but I would recommend making sure you've got a good door fit while the shell is braced up. My car was in a similar state and due to poor previous repairs to the sills (I presume without any bracing...) the shell had twisted a little meaning the the doors had dropped and no longer lined up with the aperture. With the floors and sills all out it was a simple job to adjust my bracing to line it back up. Had I not noticed till the sills were back on the car it would have been a more difficult task!
Yep, some good guidance there. Before bracing there is about a 5mm twist in the shell . This could be seen across the top of the cills and also looking across the leading edge of the B-posts - its as if the rear part of the car is twisted and it's fairly stiff so not sure it will untwist. The plan is to fit the doors in the their apertures and build the rest of the car around them, making sure the shut lines are good. If the car does have a small amount of twist it wont be noticeable in use. Having taken loads of measurement around the car it's far from symmetrical in many respects, so it may well have come off the production line a bit skew-wiff.
 
This is looking like a promising start to a restoration 🙂 As you will find, they are simple little cars and a joy to work on once you get to the mechanical stage. The metalwork stage is about as bad as any other vehicle, haha!

It looks like you've got a fairly good basis for restoration there. Obviously lots of the outer panels are rotten, but with them removed I'm seeing no signs of crash damage, what on first impressions looks like a fairly good roof line and fairly solid looking structure around the hard mounting points, for example the front cross member area.

I'm sure I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but I would recommend making sure you've got a good door fit while the shell is braced up. My car was in a similar state and due to poor previous repairs to the sills (I presume without any bracing...) the shell had twisted a little meaning the the doors had dropped and no longer lined up with the aperture. With the floors and sills all out it was a simple job to adjust my bracing to line it back up. Had I not noticed till the sills were back on the car it would have been a more difficult task!
In many ways the 500 is far less complicated than the Mini, so should be a relative doddle to do.
 
Yes, having the car look right is more important than making the tape measure happy! As you say, lots of cars of this era were not straight to modern standards of construction from new. There's a few mm difference in places in my Daimler, that was not built down to a price quite like the 500 was!

Clearly looking at the lovely job you made of that Mini, this is not your first rodeo! I look forward to following along 🙂

Are you planning a straight forward restoration? Or something more customised?

It will be interesting to know what you make of it compared to the Mini when it's finished, with them both being iconic small cars and yet quite different creatures in many respects.
 
I’d rather have the 500, could never get comfortable driving my aunts minis
 
I've moved this to the Builds/Restorations are in the Garage as this is a more appropriate place for the thread to sit...I'll put further updates there.

 
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