General 100hp winter tyres advice

[neilwill]

Hi all.

I was wondering what everyone else does for winter tyres for the old 100. It is my first winter with the car, and with the wider foot print of the 195 F1's I can see this being difficult, as they are already spinning away
I was looking at getting some steels (black as I have a white car) and putting some 155/65/14 on it to keep the rolling radius the same.
Was looking at the good years, as I can't find any contis or Michelins in this size.

Any suggestions?

 

[A3jeroen]

I have 185/60 x 14's on 14 x 5.5 alloys.

gr J

 

[neilwill]

Cheers, the 5.5s from a. 500 was the next check to see if they fit.

 

[A3jeroen]

The most ideal offset would be ET 35 mm. Mine are from an old Punto and have ET45. This means they come 3mm more inwards than the original 6,5" With ET30.
Mine are already on and give no problems while driving.

gr J

 

[tinmar49]

I have a multijet and the handbook has all the recommended tyre sizes, your 100HP book should also help.

 

[A3jeroen]

Recommended for the 100HP are 185/55 14's, but mine rolls on 195/50 15's instead of 45's So I wanted to stick to the same size overall.

gr J

 

[jsteph32]

We just bought a 100hp, and it came with a set of steels with 185/60 x 14 Kleber winters. No idea how they will cope in the snow, but in the dry they really don't do much harm to the fab handling of this car!

 

[neilwill]

I will check the hand book, however the Rollin radius works out the same as the 195/45/15. Just for fun the other reason for the thin approach is to punch down on to the surface rather than float over the top. However I do acknowledge this may have dry limitations.

 

[neilwill]

Ok had a look around and 185/65/14 seem the order of the day, according to Goodyear, who don't make any winter tyres that size..... So had a read around the web and going for the smaller wheel and narrower tyre seems the way forwards. Now the steels have been ordered 14 inch 5.5j off ebay from a company in Cannock £96 for 4 brand new. Just need to get some thin rubber. Thinking either the Conti 800 or Goodyear ultra 8, which are the cheaper option. Will report back when ordered and fitted.

 

[A3jeroen]

185/65 14 is way too big anyway.

165 or 175/65 14 would be just about right.

gr J

 

[Caravadossi]

Thinking either the Conti 800 or Goodyear ultra 8, which are the cheaper option. Will report back ...

The Goodyear will be equal or better than a Conti – until it snows.
The Conti has a snow advantage – otherwise on other performance attributes there’s not-much-in-it. But it’s unclear to me what size/spec you’ve short-listed. Check-it-out as there seems to me to be some variation when you get into load/XL differences. Some tyre shops seem to have `special offers’ on XL tyres – when they may not perform as well as the SL tyres.

South Cheshire Tyre are the HiQ (Goodyear-Dunlop Group) shops your way - & have Conti stock.
What quotes have you had?

131300Z

 

[neilwill]

Ebay supply..... 155/65/14

Goodyear ultra 8 £47
Contis 400 £64

Now they also quote the Conti 850, (£48) which should be very good, however Conti UK don't list the size I want in that tyre is it for real?

I like the sound of South Cheshire better than just above Stoke LoL

 

[A3jeroen]

155/65 is too small. Remember that the height is always a percentage of the width.
This link might help.

gr J

 

[neilwill]

This was calculated using the tyre traders website as a comparison of sizes so confident in that gen. While I could go "fat" for me there are two problems, I want to punch down so smaller foot print rather than spread the weight over a wider area. And two as you say it's a ratio, and as a 45 is the norm, I want to keep that down to a minimum to try to stop the car feeling too much worse. I think it's the word "feel" that's important.

 

[A3jeroen]

There must be a reason why the manufacturer recommends certain tiresizes...

gr J

 

[Ziggy122]

For 2 main reasons
A - so your speedo isnt massively out
B - so they fit in the wheel arch

You may find itll already tell u the recommended tyre size for winters in the manual

Also shop online at camskill and pay to get them fitted
Often for me it works out cheaper then the crap my local tyres fitters want to fit for more money

Ziggy

 

[A3jeroen]

...
C to have the maximum compromis between grip and comfort.
D to have the right loadindex.
E to have the right speed category

There's more to tires than the fact they're black and round.

gr J

 

[Caravadossi]

... the size I want ...

is ???

I’ve only one Panda OH (07/2007 1st ed) to hand & only two tyre sizes are given – 155/80R13 79T (on 5Bx13 H2 steel) & 165/65R14 79T (on 5Jx14 H2 alloy). No distinction made between summer & “M+S”.

My (note well!) guess is (without knowledge of your OH) that using 195/45R15 (921 revs/ml) as your `control’ size is probably the wrong starting point - & that a winter tyre of 165/65R14 (899 revs/ml) is nearer the mark, or maybe 175/65R14 (879 revs/ml).

What does your OH recommend?
Ideally best to stay with your model specific OH – to avoid flak from `authorities’ (e.g. insurer).

On `supply & fit’ – I’d stay single-source. I’ve split supply & fit before - & can’t be arsed with the hassle again.

141438Z

 

[neilwill]

Ok I've taken the hint.
On a 100hp 195/45/15 are the standard summer fit, so must be the starting for my car, over wise I would have been done for speeding countless time by the local plod.
I take the point regarding insurance, and there's no way around it.
So 185/55/14 it is that what is says in the OH
Continentals, Avons or Yokos......

 

[Caravadossi]

Why fret over speeding?
The increase from a 195/45R15 to a 165/65R14 is <1mph @ 30mph & <2mph @ 70mph.

My reasoning to the guess that 195/45R15 (921 revs/ml) is the “wrong starting point” was based on the observation that swift models usually have tyres skewed towards the small (dia) end of OH tyre options. When a more realistic starting point for winter maybe closer to 900 revs/ml – as given by a 165/65R14 (899 revs/ml) Panda option.

One wonders what the reaction would be from your insurer when advised you intended fitting `165/65R14 Panda winter tyres’?

Other options have been offered in this thread – but not UK.
Anybody run alternative 100HP winter tyres by their insurer - & with what result?

142225Z