Technical 100HP Tyres - stylistic choices

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Technical 100HP Tyres - stylistic choices

I've always found Pirelli's to be very average.

It's like saying all green cars are average.....
What type of Pirelli is average in your opinion?
I've driven P6000, and I didn't like them, but now the Fiat is on the second set of Pirelli P6 Cinturato, and they are great, a new set will be bought after the winter season, inwhich we drive of course Pirelli winter tyres on steel wheels.
Also Pirelli P7 Cinturato on my Alfa GT, absolute brilliant roadholding, although I have to admit, they are rather noise near the end of their lifespan, about 40.000mls.

BTW, guess what brand tyres are on my Ducati motorbike.....?? (y)
 
Sorry, meant to quote a post....

Its not true that softer equals more grip. If it were then winters would grip better in the summer than summers.



In fact, they do....!!!
But they wear a lot faster in summer as well...


We just came back from a two week holiday in The Black Forrest, Germany.
Lot's of hills, mountains and curved, gravel roads overthere.
The Panda 4X4 comes with factory fitted wintertyres, just to have more grip, even in summer....


Big problem with soft wintertyres in summer, is that above certain speeds ( which the Panda never reaches...) brake distance will exceeds safety distances....!!


Btw, did you ever see a F1 race..??
Have you noticed how fast tyres wear there....??
Think about it..!
 
As a rule, softer compound has better "sticking" power.
So, in theory, winter tyres, with softer compound, stick better to the ground, in winter, but in summer as well.
But, as the tyre manufacturer has to find a compromise between performance and lifespan of any tyre, be it winter, summer or all season, no tyre is perfect for any condition.
Big problem with soft compound winter tyres in summer, is that the rubber starts to "smear"at high temps, making braking distance unacceptable and dangerous long.
The somewhat higher and softer winterprofile starts to "wobble" at higher temps as well, making a car at higher speeds instable on wintertyres in summer.
Again, its'all more or less theory, but the one big problem remains braking distance...
 

How about a spreadsheet showing the min/max stopping distances for summer/winter tyres plotted against ambient temperature - input this to a Venn diagram showing the sweet-spots and crossover as to when to swap tyres?


I'm still not paying top dollar for Pirelli tyres for my Polish warm hatch though. Wet = UK = Uniroyal.
 
Yep, it's a proven fact, in hot weather winter tyres may slip....beyond grip (during braking).
So please, don't drive behind me on wintertyres in summer if you will....

Ummmm ok. You were the one saying that winter tyres grip more in summer.... Now you're disagreeing with yourself.
 
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With winter tyres the blocks move around giving the car an unstable feeling. Not what you want on your 100hp. The grip levels are poor when the temperature rises, and leads to longer braking distances, more lock ups and wheel spin. I run them on my old 180hp Leon Cupra in the winter with Kumho Ecsta Sports in summer.

Next up, all season tyres. These are actually a pretty good compromise imo.
I have Goodyear 4 seasons on our Alfa 159. Sure they aren't as good as a dedicated summer tyre, but they do actually reduce stopping distances in the winter, and perform well in the wet, so are a compromise I'm happy with on the bit family barge, which is never going to be driven in anger anyway.

And, summer tyres. This category maybe needs split into a few groups as there are sports tyres, budget tyres, crap tyres (those Avon ZV3...), and of course different cars run better or worse on different tyres.

I run Yokohama AD08Rs on my Elise. The tread pattern looks, well, odd, but they are a damn good tyre for dry grip grip and more grip, making them perfect for the application.

So, the Panda. What I'd want is something with very good dry performance, acceptable wet performance, decent pricing and that last a sensible distance (20k is sensible to me..)
The 100hp doesn't need an equivalent to the AD08R, nor does it want for all seasons, but it does see some hard run outs on some of the best A roads around, so deserves a good tyre for that purpose.
I had been thinking the GF1 was the perfect solution :rolleyes:

Now, currently, I have some going hard and probably original GF1s on the rear (2007 car with 20k miles) and a pair of absolutely terrible Avon ZV3 on the front which are poor in the dry and don't even bare thinking about on the first wet day when roads are greasy.

So, what are the BEST choices of tyre CURRENTLY available for a 100hp?
 
With winter tyres the blocks move around giving the car an unstable feeling. Not what you want on your 100hp. The grip levels are poor when the temperature rises, and leads to longer braking distances, more lock ups and wheel spin. I run them on my old 180hp Leon Cupra in the winter with Kumho Ecsta Sports in summer.

Next up, all season tyres. These are actually a pretty good compromise imo.
I have Goodyear 4 seasons on our Alfa 159. Sure they aren't as good as a dedicated summer tyre, but they do actually reduce stopping distances in the winter, and perform well in the wet, so are a compromise I'm happy with on the bit family barge, which is never going to be driven in anger anyway.

And, summer tyres. This category maybe needs split into a few groups as there are sports tyres, budget tyres, crap tyres (those Avon ZV3...), and of course different cars run better or worse on different tyres.

I run Yokohama AD08Rs on my Elise. The tread pattern looks, well, odd, but they are a damn good tyre for dry grip grip and more grip, making them perfect for the application.

So, the Panda. What I'd want is something with very good dry performance, acceptable wet performance, decent pricing and that last a sensible distance (20k is sensible to me..)
The 100hp doesn't need an equivalent to the AD08R, nor does it want for all seasons, but it does see some hard run outs on some of the best A roads around, so deserves a good tyre for that purpose.
I had been thinking the GF1 was the perfect solution :rolleyes:

Now, currently, I have some going hard and probably original GF1s on the rear (2007 car with 20k miles) and a pair of absolutely terrible Avon ZV3 on the front which are poor in the dry and don't even bare thinking about on the first wet day when roads are greasy.

So, what are the BEST choices of tyre CURRENTLY available for a 100hp?
Uniroyal Rainsport 3's, assuming you live in the UK (or somewhere with similar weather).

F1's are too hard to get hold of now and not worth the huge premium you'll end up paying.
 
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